why do Fountain hulls leak ?
 

First, I'm not a Fountain or RF basher, I'm unsure about the current status of both place and I am a Fountain owner for 13 years and I'd buy a 42' in a heart beat if all the planets aligned properly.
Moving on...................

Reading the thread and associated photos abpout rub rail replacement, various leaks and the recent rotten stringer thread on a 47' has me questioning Fountain build quality and or design.
A lot of owners suggest leaving a boat in the water is bad and leads to these type problems but why, many boats sit in the water for long extended periods of time without experiencing these problems.
Is part of the problem due to the angle Fountains sit at and the amount of aft hull being underwater ? This situation has many through hull fasteners and drain/intakes to be exposed to water intrusion but other boats have a similar situation.
When you have a rub rail and hull to deck joint almost at water level the builder damn well better get the design and assembly and materials used correct.
With the 47' thats having stringer repair the RF people state the original design wasn't good and different materials are used for repair procedures.
There have been endless discussions about water under the floor in the cabin area.
What do you think ?
ed

Every single one of us can get better at whatever we do.

We can't focus on improving everything, so we focus on improving what is most important to us.

Reggie has been undeniably successful in two areas: 1) speed, and 2) cost.

His unwavering commitment to test, test, and test some more has resulted in everyone having faster and more efficient boats. Everyone, because all the other companies respond to Fountains advances. I don't mean Reggie invented stepped hulls or pad bottoms, as one can trivially find boats that were built long before Reggie was born that exhibit these characteristics. But it takes more than just an idea, it takes scientifically exploring the possibilities to discover what actually works, not just what seems like it might work.

His focus on ensuring value for his customers is similar to that pursued by, say, Sir William Lyon of Jaguar car company. There are higher quality boats for much more, but there probably are not higher quality boats for less money.

Part of that focus on value leaves the opportunity for low quality to creep in from time to time. Not just for Fountain, but everyone who makes anything.

There are areas where its difficult to ensure the deck to hull joint is fully waterproof, and the worst problem is the aft edge of the swim step: its not surprising that many people have some leaks there. Remember, it takes hardly anything at all for small amounts of water to get in: one screw that does not have enough sealant will do the trick.

On my boat, there is something else that lets water in: my boat has a self draining cockpit, so there are cockpit scuppers that connect to hoses that lead to through hulls. However, the space the scuppers fit into is very constrained, and the scuppers themselves are plastic. Its very difficult to install the scuppers without cracking them. Once cracked, water leaks past the ball check valve, and into the bilge. As the water in the bilge slowly fills up, the rate of water leak increases. If the bilge pump does not pump adequately, the boat will sink. That has happened on at least one sistership to my boat, and nearly happened to my boat.

The price of the scuppers is very low, like $5. Its not possible to simply see the crack in a cracked scupper, as the crack is below the deck, out of sight. The crack happens without sound, or certainly less sound than the sound of the scupper slipping firmly into the hole in the deck, so the only way to tell if the scupper is broken is by specifically looking underneath the deck: a scope or dentist mirror is required, with a small flashlight, when the boat is in the water.

Of all the boats I've ever been on, they all leak somewhere: hatches, stanchion bases, hull-deck joint, windows, installed gear, instrument wiring, etc.

On this board, we speak plainly about issues, because we feel we are in this together. We don't speak plainly about issues to bash the brand we are so invested in. We like these boats!

Any boat can have water in it for any number of reasons. The bilges in my 38 Fountain are bone dry. Often tmes the cause of wet bilges isn't a leaky hull but rather a leaking water hose from any number of sources within the boat - or a leaky boat cover. The problem arise when the water is allowed to sit in the boat because the plug is in place and it cant drain.

It isnt a problem specific to fountain.

Those scuppers and the mating through hulls are stainless stell on my 1996 hull.

They are going to be gone forever on my boat.

The problem is .. some outdrives leak. You put your boat in the water and may not see water for 10 minutes. justt keep looking. after the outdrive fills w water it will come through the transome.
Most people run a automatic bilge to take care of it.. This will not get all the water from the hull.. That water will sit there forever unless you fix the problem or take the boat out of the water

A Boat should not leak!! I dont care who the manufacturer is!! that being said if their is a mechanical failure that is one issue a leaking hull is another..i see 40 year old chris crafts and30 year old pro-lines (mine) at my marina that dont leak..so why are we making excuses for other maufacturers,, maybe thats why that are out of business...

My Velocity leaked, was due to a little neglect when built. Neither of my Fountains have had any issue, and they sit in the water all season. If I wash it down with a hose it will run in the side vents, If I leave it out in the rain some gets in thru the vents and likely thru the cover.

Far as the under step area in the cabin, I've been lucky, no issue. One does need to realize that if water does enter the foreward area of a stepped hull it can not, in any manner, run / drain to the rear. Just can not happen, period. One just needs to be aware of that little quirk of a stepped hull. Check the area, deal with it if there is a problem before it causes a real problem. I will admit mine have always been in a boathouse in season and inside storage out of season.

On my old step hull DONZI they had a drain on the step.

it's getting to the point where you can't even wash your boat any more.lol

But Fountain seems to have a specific problem of water entry via paths that imply bad design or bad assembly i.e. hull/deck joint, under cabin front floor, swim platform. These then contribute to transom and stringer rot. RF admits this and now repairs stringers without using wood.

so let me get this straight..... (aside from fiscal mismanagment that spawned RF) boat company builds boats that leak and rot, then focuses buisness on fixing leaky rotting boats for profit... nice racket.....

I've got a bilge pump that pumps water to the back of the boat. Not sure if it was installed by Fountain, it was there when I bought the boat.

If you are gonna talk sh¡t about Fountain .Go do it in your house. We love our Fountains a don't care what you think about our boats manufacturer.

I think dollar for dollar Reggie gave us a lot for the money . I think a comparable Cig is almost twice the price . But is it twice the boat ?
I've had several Fountains and have been satisfied .

There are those who have fountains and those that wish they did. I would take my fountain over anything else. Especially an intercepter. Lol what a joke!

Correct, yea there are better boats but for the money Fountain gives you a lot.

Unless heads/ TV's/ refrigerators/ and the ability to carry a ton of people are important.

I always thought that is what pontoons and cruisers were for.

Is this directed at me ?

LOL, was 3rd grade that hard? Learn to spell.

Ya! wait....who are we yelling at?

Do you even own a boat? :angry-smiley-038:
Have to admit it is entertaining watching these P.o.s. boat owners or non-boat owners trying to cut up fountains.:Whatever:

Wouldn't trade mine for any other brand offshore boat! (Only a larger Fountain - a 42/700s would be great:drink:)

No water problems that I know of other than severe weather leave my boat in water as long as 4 days!:boat:

yep.. wellcraft, the transom and stringers started going bad on those as they were loading them on the truck at the factory.

Before Phragalization...

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After Phraglalization..

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I love my cruiser! It has a stand up potty. :D

LOL

How you been Jerry?

Getting ready for the Indiana winter. Too hot in Fl. :D

Depending on tha boat..
 

For the longest time, I never realized that when you're underway and the blowers are NOT on, the low pressure area creates a suction like effect and water travels backwards through the blower hoses and drops in the bilge.

Water also enters through the rear blower exhaust holes in the deck when the boat dips in larger waves.

Nothing is perfect. Address it where and when you can. Live with the rest.

Yes, the rubrail was an issue on my boat and it made a huge difference when Westcoast pushed some silicon in there.

It's not just Fountain and it's not even just boats.. Imagine buying a 42k Duramax truck that needs fuel injectors about every 60 - 80k. And that job costs around 5k presently at a dealer near you.

Of course, some of the injector issues are fuel related but still........

I have a beautiful ,1990, 35 Lightning, it is dry, it does Not leak water anywhere

I followed the directions about removing rub rain and using 5200 on the joint. I was skeptical that it would work, I didn't see large holes just some extra screw holes. filled them with 5200 now it's so dry I can't believe it
Thanks for the tip and if you have water in the back try it

Yes
 

And they photo document it on Facebook

What years leaked? I have a 40 and when I first got it it sat for 2 years outside and I never had a problem with it.
Brett

You know it's a Fact, a lot of people do not take care of their boats ,or cars, or anything else they have, they leave their boat sit out in the rain uncovered, or leave it out over the winter with an old tarp not supported properly and the rain & snow caves it in so they have a boat full of water all winter ,& all summer, try that for several years, or 15 years on any boat and see what the floor & stringers look like, don't blame the equipment when it's not taken care of, we all see it all the time, on ALL makes & models, it's sad a lot of people are too lazy to take care of their stuff, or abuse it, then complain that the particular Brand is no good, give me a break , my 1990 Fountain Lightning still does Not leak.,but, I take care of it, actually I baby it, I have to, I don't have money to waste.

Saber has an 07 42 that is getting a new transom. Does this mean they all have trouble? maybe but maybe not. Is it well noted that most do? If so i have never read that. Im wondering what the truth is.

One thing that I believe that many of the "haters" are overlooking here is that Reggie takes more time to document and show us what he's doing via facebook whereas others aren't. It doesn't mean that they aren't doing the work!

I have a 29 and it leaks through the drive but not the bellows, I've had my mechanic look at it and were not sure where it comes from with out ripping everything apart to really track it down.

How about the tiller arm seal??

Ck the exhaust blockoff covers mine leaked bad .

Well.... it appears it's not just Fountain that has problems, even those that cost twice as much have transom rot. Just type in transom rot in the search box and see what pops up.... looooong list.
BTW I don't think a leak caused Reggie's problems

I have owned several boats over the years. The best, by far, is my Fountain. It is a 1997 47 sport cruiser. The only time I had any water problems is when I left it at the dock in a storm and it was just rainwater. I normally keep it indoors on the trailer but have left it in a slip for a few months at a time in the past with no problems.
For those of you who think you have to compromise, my boat trailers easily, launches well, has a great stand up cabin, shower, and head, and runs mid 70's with naturally aspirated 502 MPI's and eats the rough stuff on the Great Lakes.
Attention to detail in the construction is amazing. Attention to detail in maintenance is very important, also, and probably accounts for most of the problems.

Anybody have an idea of what this might cost?

Just to clarify....Saber marine is currently rebuilding a 2007 42 Fountain's transom that was rotted. Boat was very well maintained.