Re: 30 Vice
 

I was recently quoted 360K for a 2005 Fountain Lightning 42' with 525's
(which actually looks a lot more like a 37')

I think Fountains and Cigarettes are about the same price when you do the "beak and platform conversion math". The question is should a Cigarette and a Fountain be priced the same>?

My take is a 2005 42' Fountain Lightning ought go for more like $275...what is my logic? My logic is simple...that's what I would pay for it.

I also am fine with the Cigarette 38' Gun with 525's at around $350.

The 30' Vice is a true 34' boat and it should go for around 180K with 525's. that's all I would pay as it is an 8' beam boat.

Re: 30 Vice
 

I have an '04 30' Advantage Victory w/496ho's I will sell for a measly 150K!

Re: 30 Vice
 

am i missing something? the cig website says the vice is 30' LOA.... most of their boats are rounded up a few inches except the gladiator which is actually 36'11".... i am not seeing where the vice is any more than a "true" 30'...

and aren't all cig's 8' beam?

Re: 30 Vice
 

I have a problem with this boat...who wants to throw down $200k and be told you just bought a starter boat.

Re: 30 Vice
 

DITTO WTH are you getting the other four feet ??
200K for a 30 footer is rediculous !! I dont care what you call it ..Its a 30 footer with bravos period. :rolleyes:

Re: 30 Vice
 

a beak can measure 2-2 1/2 feet and a built in platform 2-2 1/2 feet.

It's a true 30'er.....but if it had a beak and platform more like 34-35'.....just trying to compare apples to apples is all.

A 35' beak goes for around 200+K....

..that's all I was trying to say ...

all Cigs seem to have 8' beams while beak boats have somewhat wider beams..

My point is that Fountain is now priced at about the same price as a Cigarette. My question....should they be? :rolleyes:

Re: 30 Vice
 

Yes.. and the Vice cockpit...so I am told... has the same beam and bolsters as the Gun. I think I was told it is only slightly smaller than the Gun cockpit as well....
It is a true 30 boat. Rob did tell me that it is very very close to the same "overall" size as a 35X and is a good boat to compare the Vice to as far as ergos.....
Hydro... 360K for a new 42L is a HUGE forkin!!!

Re: 30 Vice
 

Hydro... 360K for a new 42L is a HUGE fu ckin!!![/QUOTE]
Yeah :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

That's what I told the dealer...42' Lightening with T-525's for 360K plus tax = the boat stays in your showroom. period.

I will buy a 38' Gun as soon as my options strike.

Re: 30 Vice
 

you can pick up a 36 nor-tech w/ 525's for around 300K... :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

The best deal out there is a Pantera with 525's for about 160k :D

Put a beak and platform on it and walla...it becomes a 33'er :p

Re: 30 Vice
 

Have I got a deal for you!!!!! :D :drink: :evilb: :evilb:

Re: 30 Vice
 

Your boat looked real good out there today. :D


I have recently become a full bred Cigarette guy.

WHY?

With the other brands you "get the ingredients" and with a Cigarette you "get the cake".
:D

Re: 30 Vice
 

I ruin my boats... I am not worthy of Old School.... :D :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

I am looking to go bigger... If I hang the anchor off my beak mine is 31'6" :evilb: :D :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

LMAO!!!!! :D :evilb: :drink: :evilb: :D :evilb:



19,900 :D :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

I have the brochure for Cig right here.
the 30 is 30'0"
Beam 8'
Freeboard 37"
Draft 27"
7,000lbs

the 38 is 37'6"
beam 8'
freeboard 40"
draft 27"
9,300lbs

Apparently each foot of cigarette "forward section" weighs an average 306lb.

Re: 30 Vice
 

Love cigs but for $250,000 with 525's ill take one of these..and its a true 36 :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

it's almost a 37..... :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

Actually its 35' 9" so its realy a 40' :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

Every man here knows that this ---->| |<---- is an inch..... right???? No wonder our 30' boats are 34 feet long.... :rolleyes:

Re: 30 Vice
 

I met the owner of that boat in Miami. That boat will be running in the Potomac this summer. I can't wait to see it running!!!

Re: 30 Vice
 

I was reading powerboat last month,, I know :rolleyes: :rolleyes: and saw the test of the 30 Eagle with 500's thought it was a sharp boat until I saw the price... 250,000 :eek: :eek: for a 30 footer...

Re: 30 Vice
 

i thought it was 36'11" ?

Re: 30 Vice
 

Not sure exactly how the saying goes ..But anything can be made faster and worse..

Re: 30 Vice
 

If we do a little math with some prices from the last 3 weeks:
All have Mercury 525's (I am not a 496 fan...)
Pantera Survivor (true 36') T-525's $250k = $6,900/ft

Pantera 28'er T-525's $166k = $5,900/ft

Cigarette 38' Gun T-525's $360K = $9,500/ft

Cigarette 30' Vice T-525's 200K = $6,600/ft

Fountain 42' Lightning T-525's 340K (38'ft?) = $9,000/ft

Fountiain 42' EX T-525's 240K (38'?) = $6,315/ft

Fountain 35' EX T-525's 210K (31'?) = $6,800/ft

Fountain 47' Triple-525's 360K (42'?) = $ 8,600/ft

Summary based on "true foot length":

1.) Pantera 28'er $5,900/ft

2.) Fountain 42' EX $6315/ft

3.) Cigarette 30' Vice $6,600/ft

4.) Fountain 35' EX $6,800/ft

5.) Pantera 36' Survivor $6,900/ft

.................................................. ..............................

6.) Fountain 47' Lightning Triple 525's $8,600/ft (air and gen)
.................................................. ...............................
7.) Fountain 42' Lightning $9,000/ft

8.) Cigarette 38' Gun $9,500/ft




Any of the top 5 boats are close in price...your call as to the brand...the 47' Fountain with triple 525's looks justifiable as well.

Re: 30 Vice
 

You've got to be the most analytical MoFo on Earth!!!!!! :D :D

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Seriously... can I get that broken down into centimeters divided by ounzes times square inches per meter of resin??????? :evilb:

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you could but i don't think you are smart enough to understand it.... :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

I realy dont think by the foot is the golden rule for buying a boat ! It may work for rug or in my case condoms but not boats :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

..do you figure in the beak and platform when buying condoms?

betcha ya do :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

I think it's interesting to see this breakdown of boats corrected for "beak and platforms" with 525's for power... :drink:


...style...resale and quality with the breakdown of prices says a lot.


The 30' Cigarette Vice is a realtively good deal per se' and being a true 30'er it aint no starter offshore with 525's and a 24 degree hull....it's comparable to many 35's out there. Would Powerboat call a 35' Fountain a "starter offshore"??
Somebody at Powerboat has tested too many 46'ers lately :D

A "starter offshore" is a 26' or 27'ers that have platforms... with a single or a pair of 350 magnums.

Re: 30 Vice
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...540976034&rd=1

Ill take this instead!!!!!!!

Re: 30 Vice
 

I am sure there are many nice offshores that are used..BUT..

how can know for sure what you are really getting into...

Re: 30 Vice
 

DO all the 30' Vice Cig boats have the same paint scheme or different ones?

Re: 30 Vice
 

All fine and good, but try to trailer that monster anywhere. 10'9" beam. You're running on the edge with a Donzi 33" ZX 9'2".

Re: 30 Vice
 

A 35' Fountain is barely over 30' on a good day. Handling and Fountain are not two words that go good together.

Re: 30 Vice
 

Im no huge fountain fan but it looked like Reggies last Kilo boat was "Handleing" pretty well :D

Re: 30 Vice
 

True enough, but that boat ain't what the general public is buying and its dead flat protected water. Plus, not alot of turns in a kilo run.

Re: 30 Vice
 

Originally they were to all have the same scheme (like the one in post 1) and you choose colors... now you can get it pretty much the way you want... within reason I am sure.... included... so I am told... a true custom boat....