I like the 36 but not the xrt so much... the 36 with 525's ran mid to upper 90's???? with 700 nxt did a little over 113 but I think they said it could do better with some prop work.

How did it handle in the 90's

Outerlimits sv43 with 700 stock ran 116 raise rev limiters ran 124

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anybody out there could help me choosing on one of these boats. i want top speed and a good comfortable cabin space.
im between the following, powered by stock 425 HO power (twin) and bravos. any ideas on top speed and cabin size???

-sunsation Dominator 32
-active thunder 33 evolution
-hustler 344
-formula 312 or 353

or any other fresh ideas?
thanks

If you're looking at cabin space, the AT is hands down the biggest in that list, or just about any list in that category.

any boat that has a good size cabin and can hit 80mph plus with 425hp mercs and bravos! any other brands perhaps? the lightning 35 probably is the fastest but it has a small cabin plus it seats too low in the water they say?

Velocity

How about a cig bullet. Big cabin but it takes a lot of power to go 80. There's some nice ones for sale right now

I rode in paradox's boat for the jacksonville poker run and can honestly say his boat handles VERY WELL! When we got into a little bit of ruff stuff at the beginning of the poker run the 33avanti handled it really well. Also it did mid 80's gps easily and from what I saw in the gauges while hanging on in the back seat it still had a little bit of rpms left. VERY NICE BOAT!

anybody ideas on my final choice between

-hustler 344
-sunsation 32
-active thunder 33

can someone put next to them final speeds with 425hp mercs and cabin size?
much appreciated!

This tread is 6 yrs old 1/2 these speeds posted are:bsflag:Buy a single engine Superboat fast good in big water cheaper then all mentioned!:drink:My 02!

if U consider the Formula option, DO NOT get the 312, the 353 is the 1!!! I have had both! My 2000 353 ran high 70's w/ HP 500 efi's!! Enclosed head/better cabin, ride much nicer than 312! Good luck!

Well technically it wasn't a pad bottom. It was a flat bottom. Flat from the waterline all the way to the transom. I got some air going over cruiser wakes a couple of times and stayed away from them from then on. All the 24s were built that way. The 33 tris were twin stepped V hulls.

the 39 dragon runs 105 mph with 525's and expected to hit 125mph with 700's, no other 30' vees with match that

i agree with you about the dragon 39 but it has no cabin. i want all the amenities of a cabin too such v berth, wc etc.

by the way would anyone know which of the would perform better with same power in rough water, hustler 388 slingshot or fountain 38.? also cabin size? anyone know top speeds with eg 500's??

the dragon does have a cabin as an option, look into them, they are awesome

any used ones around? do u know any? once i saw one for sale by custom marine sales for 20k without power, drives, barebone . i should have bought it!!

let me see , might know of one and yes that would of been a smoking deal, does'nt quite sound right at 20k

its was sitting there for months for 30k untill someone bought it for less than 20k!! i wasnt sure then about the dragons thats why i didnt buy it.

do you know where it went or who bought it?

no idea!!

30' Superboat just placed 1st Sunny isles good running boat!:cool-smiley-026:

If anyone wants a sitdown boat, my 30' Phantom is available. With the SSM #5, it is pretty much bullet proof.

I found you a great deal on a dragon, pm me when you get time

Looks like the original 29 Phantom. That was a great boat.

My vote goes to the DDC's... AT and Challenger. I also love the 30 velocity.

I am sorry to see Challanger Offshore gone. I was involved with testing hull no 1. (32') with twin 502 MPI/mags and black hawks on lake X. Ran 90+ and the boat was around 9000 pound. Needed a diet. :) It had a huge single step, I think 7"+. The same hull became the AT hulls with some mods. Then we ran it at the pier 33/Thunder marine poker run on the Michigan in 2005. Handled awsome untill one of black hawks broke. HS had a good thing going, but the black hawks just didn't last.
What ever happend to John Simpson anyway? I lost touch, he owned the Co' back then.

Sorry but I have to correct that statement. My hulls were designed specific for Active Thunder by Harry Schoell. He resides 1/2 a block north with Brownie and is currently involved with us on the new 33 with 300 Yamaha 4 stroke outboards.

Plus a 'top secret' project (non-boating) which I will post pictures shortly. This thing is very cool.

Pat

So you're saying Harry Schoell designed the Challenger hulls?? News to me.

That's always my vote but they (Velocity's) don't seem to come up in these conversations often...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCPspaSZn5U

Don't mean to answer for Paradox but sitting here drinking a Lite waiting on my rigger to lock up.

Yes, it has a DDC designed hull. Believe it or not the Larson has a DDC hull as well.

I think these companies built dedicated molds.

We use a seperate mold and insert the part, flip the hull and blue print every boat. Through the years we've played with it and adjust it accordingly to power, length and speed. An example is the 37 with 525 EFIs and Bravos the step is 4". If you move up to 600s or 700s we reduce the heigh one full inch. Sometime we slide it back or forth a minimal amount based on cabin options and weight as well as ITS or more weight in the back.

Larsons are running less than half the speed but still benefit from the ride and hull effeciency so their need for this effort is moot. Challenger goes in and out of business so who knows what goes on there.

Hope this helps.

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Now I didn't read all of the posts here but I do know that Hawkeye boats sales has a 32 Sunsation that has done 97 at the LOTO Shootout. Won it's class. So that would be good a good one to have and it is seet looking too.

Don't need to be sorry Pat, and I stand corrected. (while I'm sipping on MY Heiny) Harry designed the step for the Challengers, specifically for the black hawks, and it was pattented. I'm going by memory. (it's been some time.. :) ) I didn't mean that the Challenger hull is identical to the AT's but the concept came from the Challengers first. If my recall is correct AT. (back in Chicago .. wow .. lol, long ago. ) didn't have the step. Then AT and others started the step hulls. The AT step (the old step) was pretty much the same design as the Challanger, while I do understand and agree that the AT's were design as an AT, and not a "copy" of the Challengers.. Harry did the design to the Challengers first. (I still have the schematics and the specs somewhere.) Not sure the year, but then the AT's reduced the step height.. to what ? 4" - 5" or so??
Challengers made a 26'+- single as well and beat me at the Mississippi kilo run, (1994) but had a 502, VS my 454.
Not to take anything away from anyone, but I think both the Challengers and the AT's are great hulls and it's due to the "wizards" designs. For whatever it's worth.. and while I am sorry to see the Challengers go, AT's were and are built to a better quaility. And I know Harry also (I just got to stop in and say booo one of these days) and aware of the "secret" projects. :)
All the best to you Pat and AT.
P

Yes he did.

while sucking down my home brew=choc stout's and some honey/maple Ale
ATs get my vote, I was on STEVES #1 33 a few times in all types of water over 3yrs. thanks Steve I owe you a ride this summer on the saber 28. back to the 33 its deep cockpit and side by side bolsters were great. the boat felt much larger like a 37OL or 35cig. it just cut across wakes and 4 to 5s like zip. running wide open it never chinewalked. never walked on any water real steady boat. If I ever move to twins my choices would be a 37ol love mikes boats, AT 33, 37,or 33,35sutphen,34/35 saber last would be a 38tg with big power:coolcowboy:. it would use the most gas to keep up with the others but the long nose of the 38is cool like the long wide look of the sutphen. but if your looking at 33s AT all the way. Art

for 30ft and under talk to the guys at saber marine they will build you a new boat, also sutphen has a red 30/31 thats 3/4 finished can be done with single or twins.I was in the 1st new 30/31 back in 04 running in 5 to 7s off capecod they called the offshore race off that day cause of wind and waves. we were running 65 to 75 to the race we were 10miles away. that boat is awesome for a single or twin. we were out with two other sutphens a 30 and 33 ex race boat.I wanted to buy the red one but we couldn't agree on a price and then the deal on the saber28 was agreed on. which is another rough water boat.plus I had my own drive set up and motor so I was looking for a finished hull no power. and the AT 28s are nice too. fore sit downboats the joker 28 and superboats y2k looks GREAT with the other east coast boats sit down boats.

can you tell me more about this boat from saber? is it stepped bottom, has it got a cabin? have u got any pics?

anyone any input on a challenger 31 DDC?

http://www.advantageboats.com/32o.htm

http://www.cobraperformanceboats.com/page48/page48.html

dont know anything about them!!

Challenger was built around Washington, MO, (just outside of St. Louis). They had nice looking 33 and 28 Duo-Delta-Conic DDC, single step hull boats, both with molded swim platform.
There were a number of 28' and maybe 1 or 2(?) 33' built for the Missouri Water Patrol. Well built boats with respectable speed. They were a great pleasure boat, but did not do to well on the offshore race course.