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How hard are they to find used and what are the costs, how much new? I am thinking about ditching my TRS drives for Arnesons. The Formula came with Kaama drives so I know it works very well on this boat.

Jon

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Jon,
Would you PLEASE let me just set you up with some Konrads? It's a bolt on conversion! Nothing wrong with the ASD6's but I think they are overkill for what you're running.

Fionn

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Lofty I am waiting for my good buddy Biggus to see this :D

I want to do something different on this thing. I also think that the Arnesons while being a bit more work will be much cheaper and also offer a speed increase.

I am running about 575 hp now but from what I understand from my engine builder with a larger blower and cooler I can run quite a bit more.

Jon

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Yeah Kurts gonna' kick your azz for looking at another drive set up! The Arnesons work great but I don't know how cheap they will be.... sorry Rik!

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I looked into the TRS to ASD conversion and had several long conversations with Rik at Arneson and Howard Arenson also.

The biggest issue on my SR357 was moving the engine forward (to change COG) and lowering the engine to get the ASD6 to the right relationship to surfacae of water. I had three of the ASD's to--so the hardware wasn't the issue.

It is a neat conversion---but for reality sake the Knorad is realistic from technical and financial point of view

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Poorsche: They make a TRS-Arneson Conversion. The CG on the 302 should not be an issue as they were desingned to run with a surface drive......

The real question for me is going to be money. If the Konrads will be cheaper by a bit then I will go with them. If Arnesons are cheaper then I will probably go with them. Plus with the Arneson you get the cool rooster :D

If I go with Arneson there is the added cost of props (I do think that they have a prop shaft addaptor to fit regular bravo style props now), with Konrad there is the added cost of the external steering.....

Jon

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Jon, Don't forget when you need to get props for the Arneson. BIG$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Just another thought.
How is the Project coming?

Mark

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All said, if you can get the drives used you are way far ahead of the Konrad's.

Poorsche did not want to purchase the stand off boxes which would have aided his boats in terms of performance and balance. He would have to leave the engines were they currently reside. The engines would not have had to be any lower.

The person who he sold them to purchased the boxes for his 34' Scarab and is very happy with the results.

There are some drives out there, Poorsche was given three of them for FREE, lucky guy! I never seem to know where they are but some people are far better hunters than I.

How can something that is relaibe and fast be over kill????

Propellers, what does a Hering for a Bravo cost? I'd say nearly as much as a Speedmaster prop.

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... I knew you would get urked over that comment! It's a sweet drive to be sure. I know all the guys locally are happy as hell with them.

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Jon, for God's sake, please get that thing in the water before I go in the rest home.

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:D :D :evilb: :evilb: :D

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You should talk!!!! :p :p :p

I thought you already were in one :drink: :drink:

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I must have misunderstood how much the drop-box would have helped with the installation in my SR537. My recollection was it wasn't going to et the drive close enough to the bottom of the boat.

Hopefully the guy I traded them to and got them installed is having a ball.

Sometimes you just have to compromise and I was in that position--damn the luck. It was an interesting quest with the wrong ending for me.

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Thanks Fred Fred the Doo Doo Head :D

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I figure that if Jon waits long enough, Fred will have bought the Sutphen (again) and be rigging it (again) and we can have the Original OSO Trailer Queen contest (again). :D

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Can't we have that now? I'm sure Fred has taken the Formula apart already! You know he's askeerd of water :D

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Hey Cuda, are you gonna' get one of those billet colostomy bags from Fred? - :drink:

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That was cold. :(

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Jon, somebody had a pair of Kaama's for sale within the last month or so. I'll see if I can find where I saw them.

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:D :D :D LMAO

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Cuda I would love the Kaama's but what about the boots, or if you hit something and damage the case..... Not sure I want to go through all that work to put something like that in there and be worried all the time.

Jon

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:D :D :D

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That's not an issue with the Arnesons.

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Audio how the hell are you going to hit something with it,
it's on the trailer in the garage? I think it's stuck to the trailer :D :D

only way that boats getting wet is if the Roof leaks :D

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you mean bravo...

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i think he means trs as that is what his 357 had...

i think the trs to arneson is easier than the bravo...

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Its the same kit.

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so what''s involved in the trs / conversion??? pics ??

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Weisman's use the same boots, so I'm sure someone will be making them in the near future. As for the case, the only way you can really hurt one, is if someone rearends you on the trailer.

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Rik what are your thoughts on this swap? How much you think I would be looking at and what system do you think that I should do? I have a Formula 302. I have taken a LOT of weight out of the boat. I am gutting the cabin. If I was to go this route would lightening the cabin be a mistake? From what I am reading it sounds like they want the center of gravity to be forward?

Jon

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It would be a good application. The weight in the front of the boat is not going to be an issue.

Cost wise, if you look at everything you get in our kit it is not that much more than the alternative and the performance difference between the two is a major.

Rik

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I love the ASD-6 setup. All I need is to find the right prop for it. I can turn almost 7000 and getting about the same in speed. Way too much HP and not enough prop. Definately need help in that area, but havent found a prop to fit yet. I don't really want to go to a speedmaster prop, but might have to. Rik, anything laying around for this set up?

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What do you have for HP, Speed and Reduction ratio?

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550 hp per motor. 67 mph @ 6500 RPM 150:1 I believe for reduction ratio.

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Rik,
Are there any problems running an inline ASD6 and using a velvet drive with the tailstock reduction gear up to 500hp?
Thinking of a staggered application so length is not an issue.
Gary

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Do you mean using the Borg-Warner/Velvet Drive 5000 A transmission?

These can handle about 500 hp and that is about it I'm told. I belive it will have to be modified to handle that power even.

They will work, same as a diesel application.

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Actually I was referring to the standard 72 velvet drive with tailstock planetary reduction and reverse rotating one motor. Like an inboard setup.
Just trying to use stuff already on my shelf.
Gary

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I do not know the rating of the planetary gearbox. You will have to ask BAM or Huber.

The only draw back is the lack of drop to mount the engines. You will have to push them far ahead to get the angle to work out correctly for your drive lines.

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I am new to the Forum and have a `81 30 foot Scarab just recently purchased some Kaama drives to swap out with the TRS drives. Would love the Arneson's, and in no way implying anything negative on such a tremendous product as the Arneson's but when I checked last month the kit was about 16 thousand each, times 2 equals 32 grand, just can't afford them. Any advice on mounting the Kaamas would be appreciated. Also does anybody know anything about the new drives from DBD Marine?

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ROFLMAO..... That is so funny... yet at the same time... so cruel..... :D