Why not the Ford V10?
 

I saw the vortec and Volvo thread and was wondering, why no ford V10 have made it into a boat?

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

All this talk about alternate engines I'll throw in my quick 2 cents. I have a friend who ran a parasail boat with a diesel that was a ford powerstroke that some company "marinized". The boat was a complete heap of crap, everytime he took it out it broke down. This package was suppose to be a new "great affordable alternative" and it was cheap, but not affordable because it broke every day.

I don't think theres any doubt that you can convert any engine to "marine use" however marine engines (penta, mtu, cat, yanmar, merc, etc) were designed for a specific purpose. If you are looking for even a semi-reliable package, I would stick with the designs that have years of use and abuse under their belt already.

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Cmon now! Don't start pickin on my Fords! I only embrace the GM thing for boats because there is no other big block alternative. Ford small blocks are still available in ski boats I think. For some reason, the industry turned from the Ford big block years ago. And don't say "it's cause they suck!". That isn't a real reason! :cool:

Oh, and don't get me started on Dodge. I've owned enough to know to stay away from them! :D

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Because people don't want to:
Fix
Or
Repair
Daily!!!!!!!!!!!

:D :evilb: :D :evilb:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Jayhawk I agree I think the 460 is a hell of an engine.

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

I believe the CORRECT ackronym is:

First
On
Race
Day

:D :D :D :D

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Failure
Of
Research
&
Development

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Forfiet
On
Race
Day
:D

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Found
On
Road
Dead



:drink: :evilb: :drink: :evilb:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

I had a 351 winsor in my baja I had the boat on the water maybe 3 times it was always broke and I could never get parts for it.

Found
On
Rednecks
Driveway
:evilb:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

F ukked
O ver
R e-done
D odge

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

I think what it boils down to is that the Volvo Penta and The GM Vortec platforms along with the Mercruiser stuff are proven marine setups that are reasonably reliable and, most importantly, are easy to get marine parts for. The consumer market is driven by the industry and where the industry wants to go.

I remember when racing jet skiis that stand up was the premier event in the IJSBA. Over the course of a couple of years, the industry pushed it to the runabouts. Why? Beacause they can sell more runabouts. Stand ups almost have gone the way of the Do-Do.

I believe a nice Ford Racing 514 Stroker would make a hell of a marine engine. Unfortunately, by the time you got one turning a prop, you probably could have bought 2 big block chevys :mad:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Backwards -

Driver
Returns
On
Foot

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Ok, you guys are killin me! I give :(

















FORD RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! :evilb:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

For
Only
Retarded
Drivers

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Oh take off eh! you Hoser! :evilb:

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you dodge guys kill me... i almost forgot dodge still made trucks..... :evilb: :D :drink:

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Yeah, Bob & Doug are great. Can't get my wife to buy into that though :D

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

No Dodges Either
Damn
Overhauls
Do
Get
Expensive

Don't
Our
Dealers
Gouge
Everyone
:evilb:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

don't you drive a daewoo? :drink: :evilb: :drink:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Heres one for you Big Scotty

Ford
Owners
Recommend
Dodge

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Yeah try to come up with a acronym for that :D

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

First
On
Recall
Day

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Factory
Ordered
Road
Disasters

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

just like anything else..everyone is always trying to discredit the leader :D

:D FORD RULES!! :D

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Your right like they say in there commercials that is why 90% of Ford trucks are still on the road today.....









































because only 10% made it home :evilb:

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I have to agree. Fords are crap. I've had a 93 Lincoln mark 8 and it hit 75K and fell apart. I've had 6 company Ford trucks they all were great till 70-75k and they fell apart. I towed my 29 Outlaw 40 miles on a 31k mile Super Duty and the tranny went to crap. My wife had a t-bird in college and it was a piece of s*it after it turned 100k.
Now my work truck now is a 94 1/2 suburban with 151k on it, orig. motor, tranny, rear end. 0 problems. I even towed my 29 outlaw to Tablerock from Wichita (280) miles with no problems. Yea 6500 lb tow capacity and a 9500 lb boat behind a 1/2 ton truck. Not smart but it got the job done, reliabily.
You simply can't beat a GM product for reliability.

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Merc already has a engine of what approx.
power that the V-10 would develop..... It's
called the 260 hp 5 liter :rolleyes: :D

The last time I drove a friend of mines
F250 up the boat ramp, I really had my
doubts if it was going to make it up
the ramp( only pulling 7,500 #'s):eek:

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

Rastaboatin, you are on a roll! LMAO!! :D :D

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On a serious note, one of the biggest reasons is size, specifically width. The OHC engines are much wider than an equivalent OHV - check out this pic of a 4.6 Ford vs an old 302. It might work for a single, but how big is the market for alternative power for single engine boats if you can't use the same mill for twins?

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

I grew up in a anti ford family, pretty much anti everything but GM family. I can go on for days.

Fast
Only
Rolling
Downhill

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Time to shut up guys, buy the first issue of Diesel Power mag, it tests all three empty, loaded, towing flat and up hill. The Ford beat them all hands down....all. Just get the mag, read it and then go piss on your GM, Dodge and if you have a Toyota just set it on fire. I am serious, the ford beat the crap out of them in every category. Read and then post back. I have a 7.3 Excursion, 2003 with 84k and it has only had oil changes. Now the Dodge Cummins is a great motor, no doubt, but they wrapped it with tin foil. www.dieselpowermag.com read it a weep...unless you have a PSD. :D As far as why it is not in a boat, it is simple, no one in the after market makes parts and it is just not supported by the marine industry so why reinvent the wheel.

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Now wait a minute.................. Volvo, Merc and other gas engines were NOT designed for "marine use". The basic block and rotating assembly is the same as would be found in any heavy-duty automotive application. GM does not change anything in the blocks. Marine engine builders such as Merc simply order what they want from what GM already manufactures.

However, I do agree with what another said above: Since marine builders migrated toward GM years ago (probably due to price and availability), to marinize anything else would cost twice as much. But. lets not forget all the jet-drive boats that were out there in the 70's with Ford 460s.

And one more thing,,,,,,,,,, to say Ford sucks any more than GM or Dodge is just silly. I've had 'em all and they all suck, Peroid!

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Yeah I believe everything I read in magazines. :rolleyes:

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And thats not to mention what yo' Mamma likes!!!! :eek:








Ok, ok, just kidden'. Couldn't resist the open shot. :D

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I'm sorry :(














you own two dodges :D

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Merc does put the PSD in a boat. They have a marine version of the Navistar PSD. They don't the 6.0 or the V10 gas.

Hey I'm getting 25 mpg highway on my 2002, 110k mile PSD in an F350.

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It depends on who is buying alot of ads!! Heck, Poker Runs America just did an article last issue and lied about what power was in a "certain" boat that happened to be the offshore V-Botton boat of the year!!!!

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

These engines and their makers have dozens of years of real world R&D and every new upstart that comes along promising to save you money proves exactly why that R&D is invaluable. Only the very basic components of these engines are "off the shelf auto" components everything else about these systems has come from years and years of development and "real world" use. This makes competing on a major scale nearly impossible, especially when you consider the infrastructure it requires to sell, distribute and service a product.

The reason they use GM is simple, if you used one supplier and their products for several decades as the basis for your entire product line, it would be foolish to switch and retool your entire operation to use another supplier which would offer no real added value.

Re: Why not the Ford V10?
 

That right there is the truth, sad as it is.