stormclouds on the horizon
 

Imagine having to gain the approval of the Chinese govt to read OSO...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/29/business/net.php

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Thats a bunch of CRAP! :mad:

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Phuck 'em. :mad: :mad:
They are so pissed off that they are so far behind, they claw and grab at every little piece of the action they can. Europe [shaking head] :rolleyes:
Control of the internet? Good luck Europe.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

They can't do that! Al Gore invented the internet! :evilb: :D

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

So let me get this straite. We build the infastructure, make it popular, have MOST of the internet users, then THEY want to control it? UMMMM NO. How about you build your own just like we are doing again in the US for large businesses. There is going to soon be a second net for businesses only in an attempt to keep hackers out of these larger secured enviroments. With these guys want a piece of that as well? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

No one seems to be able to control the www (wild wild west), if they could, spam would be the first thing to be stopped.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

From the Financial Times

US unmoved on control of web address system
By Frances Williams in Geneva
September 30 2005 20:24

Washington remained unmoved on Friday in the face of international pressure for it to relinquish its exclusive control of the internet addressing system that enables the world's computers to communicate with each other.
That pressure increased this week when the European Union publicly threw its weight behind developing country demands for more international oversight of the domain name system.
The system is currently managed by the California-based Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann), a non-profit foundation under contract to the US Department of Commerce.
The stand-off between the US and virtually all other countries has dominated two weeks of negotiations in Geneva to prepare for a World Information Society Summit to be held in Tunis next month. Those talks were due to wind up on Friday night without agreement on the issues relating to internet governance, which also include how best to tackle problems such as spam, cybercrime and privacy that require international collaboration. More talks may be scheduled before the Tunis meeting.
Diplomats said there was widespread support for a “multi-stakeholder” forum bringing together governments, the private sector, civil society and other groups to discuss and make recommendations on policy matters but there had been no narrowing of differences over who should oversee the technical infrastructure of the internet.
The US, stressing the paramount need to ensure stability and security of the internet, said in June it would maintain its historic oversight role of the domain name system.
This stance has considerable support from business, which fears that handing over supervision to a United Nations or other inter-governmental group could politicise technical decisions and hamper flexibility and innovation.
But most other countries see no justification for continuing US control of what has become a global resource, even if they do not agree on what should replace the present arrangements.
The EU on Friday rejected US claims that its proposal for a “new co-operation model” represented a shift of position or backing for a heavy-handed international body. “We want Icann to operate under international law and be responsible to all governments,” David Hendon, spokesman for the EU delegation, said on Friday. “But we see the role of governments as establishing certain policy principles, not managing the domain name system.”
Though the US argues that the existing system works well, many governments find it unpalatable that Washington has the theoretical power to cut them off from the internet system by blocking the country suffix.
Developing countries have also expressed discontent over slow progress in introducing multilingual domain names and addresses, and the high costs they have to pay for internet access.
Internet experts point out that, in the longer run, continued US resistance could prompt moves to create rival networks that would break Icann's monopoly. www.itu.org/wsis

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Look at what the Communist Chinese are doing right now.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazi...112920,00.html

I'm concerned the US govt will cave in to these demands in return for some lame "co-operation" elsewhere, thinking Americans won't be paying any attention to what is going on.

If you have any similar concerns, drop an email to:

Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez
[email protected]

U.S. Department of Commerce

and

Ambassador David A. Gross
[email protected]

U.S. Department of State

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Didn't the Chinese just also try to buy one of oil companies?? :mad:

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Unocal

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Looks like trouble next month...

Breaking America's grip on the net

After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to relinquish control of the internet to a coalition of governments


Thursday October 6, 2005



You would expect an announcement that would forever change the face of the internet to be a grand affair - a big stage, spotlights, media scrums and a charismatic frontman working the crowd.
But unless you knew where he was sitting, all you got was David Hendon's slightly apprehensive voice through a beige plastic earbox. The words were calm, measured and unexciting, but their implications will be felt for generations to come.

Hendon is the Department for Trade and Industry's director of business relations and was in Geneva representing the UK government and European Union at the third and final preparatory meeting for next month's World Summit on the Information Society. He had just announced a political coup over the running of the internet.

Old allies in world politics, representatives from the UK and US sat just feet away from each other, but all looked straight ahead as Hendon explained the EU had decided to end the US government's unilateral control of the internet and put in place a new body that would now run this revolutionary communications medium.

The issue of who should control the net had proved an extremely divisive issue, and for 11 days the world's governments traded blows. For the vast majority of people who use the internet, the only real concern is getting on it. But with the internet now essential to countries' basic infrastructure - Brazil relies on it for 90% of its tax collection - the question of who has control has become critical.

And the unwelcome answer for many is that it is the US government. In the early days, an enlightened Department of Commerce (DoC) pushed and funded expansion of the internet. And when it became global, it created a private company, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann) to run it.

But the DoC retained overall control, and in June stated what many had always feared: that it would retain indefinite control of the internet's foundation - its "root servers", which act as the basic directory for the whole internet.

A number of countries represented in Geneva, including Brazil, China, Cuba, Iran and several African states, insisted the US give up control, but it refused. The meeting "was going nowhere", Hendon says, and so the EU took a bold step and proposed two stark changes: a new forum that would decide public policy, and a "cooperation model" comprising governments that would be in overall charge.

Much to the distress of the US, the idea proved popular. Its representative hit back, stating that it "can't in any way allow any changes" that went against the "historic role" of the US in controlling the top level of the internet.

But the refusal to budge only strengthened opposition, and now the world's governments are expected to agree a deal to award themselves ultimate control. It will be officially raised at a UN summit of world leaders next month and, faced with international consensus, there is little the US government can do but acquiesce.

But will this move mean, as the US ambassador David Gross argued, that "even on technical details, the industry will have to follow government-set policies, UN-set policies"?

No, according to Nitin Desai, the UN's special adviser on internet governance. "There is clearly an acceptance here that governments are not concerned with the technical and operational management of the internet. Standards are set by the users."

Hendon is also adamant: "The really important point is that the EU doesn't want to see this change as bringing new government control over the internet. Governments will only be involved where they need to be and only on issues setting the top-level framework."

Human rights

But expert and author of Ruling the Root, Milton Mueller, is not so sure. An overseeing council "could interfere with standards. What would stop it saying 'when you're making this standard for data transfer you have to include some kind of surveillance for law enforcement'?"

Then there is human rights. China has attracted criticism for filtering content from the net within its borders. Tunisia - host of the World Summit - has also come under attack for silencing online voices. Mueller doesn't see a governmental overseeing council having any impact: "What human rights groups want is for someone to be able to bring some kind of enforceable claim to stop them violating people's rights. But how's that going to happen? I can't see that a council is going to be able to improve the human rights situation."

And what about business? Will a governmental body running the internet add unnecessary bureaucracy or will it bring clarity and a coherent system? Mueller is unsure: "The idea of the council is so vague. It's not clear to me that governments know what to do about anything at this stage apart from get in the way of things that other people do."

There are still dozens of unanswered questions but all the answers are pointing the same way: international governments deciding the internet's future. The internet will never be the same again.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

All those nations are lacky, tag-along, bandwagon riders. Again, here's something we invented(Al Gore), set-up, perfected, and all those greedy bastards want to get their grubby little hands in on the deal. :mad:

Maybe they can set-up an internet-for-food program. I'm in! How much will it cost me? :rolleyes: :hothead:

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

CigDaze, I wish this was a laughing matter. Sorry to take this to the board at OSO, but why should Americans put up with this crap? It won't just go away. We have to push back.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

No, it certainly isn't. I'm infuriated, and sick and tired of caving to every little nation's demands. We need to restore power to our country. We have the resources and knowledge, they want it, shouldn't let them have it.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

That's why I posted the e-mail addresses above. I spoke to David Gross' office at the State Dept. They are representing the US in these matters and they said every loud American voice matters as they stand firm against this seizure of American assets.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

I applaud your efforts, thanks. My e-mail's sent.

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Kudos to Sen Coleman for looking out for US interests.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...zMwMzcwWj.html

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

let the aholes build thier own system...no one will flock to it

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

"The history of the U.S. government's Internet involvement [...] is rooted in a Defense Department project of the 1960s, the Internet was transferred to civilian hands and then opened to commerce by the National Science Foundation in 1995. Three years later, the non-profit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers assumed governance responsibility under Department of Commerce oversight."

I still fail to see how any piggy-backing, no-involvement, do-nothing Nation in this world has any stake to a claim to the internet. The U.S. developed it, refined it, perfected it, commercialized it, paid for it, and now controls it.

To hell with them.

We should just turn it off to anyone outside the US, and see where that leaves 'em. They'd be scratching their heads, not even able to google the White House's phone number to beg to have it turned back on.

:mad:

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

U.S. Maintains Control!

" A summit focusing on narrowing the digital divide between rich and poor residents and countries opened Wednesday with an agreement of sorts on who will maintain ultimate oversight of the Internet and the flow of information, commerce and dissent.

The World Summit on the Information Society had been overshadowed by a lingering, if not vocal, struggle about overseeing the domain names and technical issues that make the Internet work and keep people from Pakistan to Canada surfing Web sites in the search for information, news and buying and selling.

Negotiators from more than 100 countries agreed late Tuesday to leave the United States in charge of the Internet's addressing system, averting a U.S.-EU showdown at this week's U.N. technology summit.

U.S. officials said early Wednesday that instead of transferring management of the system to an international body such as the United Nations, an international forum would be created to address concerns. The forum, however, would have no binding authority........."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/16/D8DTJ5UG1.html

Re: stormclouds on the horizon
 

Kudos to Ambassador Gross but this is only Round 1.These idiots aren't going to just go away.Not with this at stake.

how's that change working-out for you?
 

this was inevitable...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...n-agreement-us

Next,
China buys Icann


Game Over

Updated
 

Well, it has happened

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...799_print.html

one child policy, and you need permission to touch your dirty place....