Like Tree0Likes

Question regarding offshore boats

Reply
Old 10-15-2005, 11:54 AM
  #51
Registered
 
chuck21401's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Annapolis, MD
Posts: 513
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
The 24 Pantera is agreat rough water boat, I know, I own one.
But if you are boating with the whole Family constantly and you need comfort, speed, etc. I personally would be looking for a clean older Formula
24 LS or SS
Like my 1989 242LS with a 454 magnum. Only $13.5K!

This boat is slower though, but hey with a $20K budget, just ad a 502 mag and you'll be good to go
Attached Thumbnails
Question regarding offshore boats-dsc01487.jpg  
chuck21401 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2005, 08:21 PM
  #52
chuckbeecher
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Anywhere from the Laguna Madre to JAX and beyond
My Boats: glasstream
Posts: 1,259
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Go with a 25 Active Thunder..you will never regret it. Deep cockpit, drp down bolsters really nice cabin ..and rides like a 28-30 ft boat.
chuckbeecher is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2005, 04:46 PM
  #53
Registered
VIP Member
 
nolimits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Babylon, Long Island
My Boats: 03, Fountain 38 Lightning
Posts: 804
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck21401
Like my 1989 242LS with a 454 magnum. Only $13.5K!

This boat is slower though, but hey with a $20K budget, just ad a 502 mag and you'll be good to go
When you look at a boat 16 years old that looks that sweet, you really haveto hand it to Formula.....
nolimits is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2005, 11:29 AM
  #54
Registered
 
FASTERDAMITT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,979
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

That is nice! Update the color and it will look as good as most comming out of the molds in that catagory today. Nice lines.
FASTERDAMITT is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2005, 05:16 PM
  #55
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 24
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by nolimits
The H2X is a lake boat built for speed. Exactly what you do not want. 232 ands 272 are good choices too. Not the same hull as the outlaw and not quite as good in the rough stuff, but still very respectable. I don't agree that two small blocks in a boat "that size" is what you want. The additional weight spread across the stern makes it less agile and in some conditions you are more likely to surface a prop. Want to experiment with prop, it's times two. Two engines to change oil in, two drives to change oil in, two systems to winterize and tune. Do the math, it costs and two small blocks is not faster than one 502 mpi. Keep it simple, one works great and it is less gas. You might be able to limp home but probably should call sea tow anyway. The 25 Outlaw with a single 502 mpi handles very very well and is cheap fun. You would be surprised at what you have to spend to better it.

My 25 weighed 3500 dry. Oh yea, the outlaw is measure without including the length of the swim platform. That means you get as much water line as a 272..
good point on the maintenance and cost. maybe not a good fit.. although, you must admit that a twin rides smoother and less chining. when you drop the hammer in a twin at 3,000 rpm's it puts you back in your seat - even small blocks. 2 props are better than one for feeling fun......my true 26 weighs a whopping 5500 dry w/540hp an still gets 66 stock and is very smooth. also, sink, pump-out head..can be written off...can't do that with a 3500 lb outlaw.. ..I like bajas, but my twin wellcraft rides much better and small block magnums are bullet proof. just wanted to throw that point out there if ride and reliability are important.....test drive both config's.....sounds like your getting good info, but don't lock on baja...look, look and look more..many good boats out there....
PARMENTIER123 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2005, 01:59 PM
  #56
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 143
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

This thread has saved me a lot of time in getting the RIGHT information, not salesman talk which I appreciate. Talked to the wife, open to the upgrade, not excited about it (have to sell this one). I am going take this purchase slow as I said before, so I will probably line up a test drive at the Baja dealer in a couple of weeks. Boat show in Los Angeles is in January, so timing on all of this is good. I am not limiting myself to Baja only, but they seem to be the McDonald's of offshore boating. I DO NOT MEAN CHEAP AND BAD, I MEAN GENERALLY ACCEPTED STANDARD AND AVAILABLE MOST EVERYWHERE, BOTH DEALERS AND USED BOATS.

A couple more questions.

Deadrise: Doing some research, I think my Bayliner has a 19 degree deadrise. Most OL have 24 degree deadrise, the 232's have 23 degree deadrise. Is that a big difference? Think SoCal, 1-2' wind waves with 3-4' swells.

For now, looking at the 23 outlaw, and the 232. I would love to go bigger, but storage and truck towing limitation dictate for the term of my auto lease. Frankly, the wife will never sign off on the upgrade without a windshield, so that limits me to the 232, I think. Help me out here on models, I am confused.

232 Islander has what deadrise?

232 Performance is different than Islander?

Any other Baja models with Windshield, are they always an option on any Baja?

Any bad 232 Model years to stay away from?

What is Boss, what is Hammer, graphics only option or hull design differences?

Can anyone verify EXACT gross weight of 232 with trailer and gas.

Can anyone verify EXACT gross length of 232 with trailer and tongue

Like I said, before, kids will only take about 40MPH on the Bayliner. Any 5 year old sons out there doing 50 or 60MPH with a good confort level, or is that just too young?

Thanks again,

Chris
chrisf is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2005, 02:31 PM
  #57
Registered
 
dave911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: SoCal
My Boats: SOLD! 1991 Sutphen 26' Rum Runner
Posts: 883
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Don't let the lack of a windshield on an Outlaw slow you down. The boats are deep, and wind will go right over her head (especially sitting down).
dave911 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2005, 06:34 PM
  #58
Registered
 
wantsa311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sterling Heights, MI
My Boats: 1995 Formula PC 34
Posts: 546
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisf
... And that being said, do you guys trust out of state surveyers, or do you hop on a plane and fly there for the weekend?
I would never plunk down my money unless I saw and drove something as expensive as a boat. A survey is necessary but in my opinion you have to look at it first yourself then decide if you are really interested.

It took me almost a year to find my Formula SR1-311 and I flew to Florida, New York, and New Jersey during the search. Flights are (were) cheap if you are willing to take connecting flights and fly during non-peak times. I finally found a great deal deal on a really nice 1988 boat and I love it.

That said, I think lots of other guys do buy sight unseen.
wantsa311 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2005, 07:15 PM
  #59
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 143
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Still focusing on Bajas. Supply is limited. I want everyones opinion on a 1998 232 Islander with a 454 (310hp I think). Any problems with the model or the model year or engine. During my research, the 1998 232 specs 23 degree deadrise. I vowed to find a 24 degree, but not having good luck.

Coming from my 19-20 degree transom on my Bayliner, is a one degree difference that big for offshore ride, considering it is a small 23 foot boat in the first place?

This one has bottom paint, any way to remove it to speed up the boat, or just leave it for protection?

Any other comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Chris
chrisf is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2005, 07:43 PM
  #60
Registered
 
Bill272's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Lake St. Clair
My Boats: 95 Formula 336, HP500's
Posts: 935
Default Re: Question regarding offshore boats

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisf
Like I said, before, kids will only take about 40MPH on the Bayliner. Any 5 year old sons out there doing 50 or 60MPH with a good confort level, or is that just too young?

Thanks again,

Chris
With my previous Formula 272 and current 336, if I was doing 40, my 5 year old (now 9) daughter would say "Punch it, Dad!"

My vote here would be to go back to the Formula 242. For the best of both worlds, see if you can find a 242SS model. Same hull, same 24 deg. deadrise, but the windshield is moved forward with a smaller cuddy to give a huge cockpit for this size boat.

http://www.boattraderonline.com/deal....html?80902892

Last edited by Bill272; 11-02-2005 at 07:46 PM.
Bill272 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
mikebrls
General Boating Discussion
29
08-28-2007 10:42 AM
JOHN G
General Boating Discussion
13
10-31-2004 10:29 PM
H2Xmark
General Boating Discussion
29
08-01-2002 10:42 AM
Secret F233
General Boating Discussion
17
05-28-2002 09:31 PM



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:47 AM.


Copyright 2011 OffShoreOnly. All rights reserved.