Velocity 1500 lbs less then Fountain???
 

Could someone explain how velocity 29 is able to build thier hull 1500 lbs less then fountain29 ? No wonder its fast? :) And what the pros cons are? TX

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Velocity has traditionally been a real lightweight. That's one reason they're so fast.

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Steps are heavy

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Thinner?

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I plan on flying! :evilb: thinner = dangerous?
Isn't there a reason all other boats that size wiegh more?
If not Velocitys tech is better then everyone else?
I would really like to know cuase they look really nice? But I don't know crap :( Why i need all ur help :drink:

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it hops , skips and jumps it will not run on the pad . :D :drink:

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Hey Mike hows the New Year,still Fishin,hope all is well.You forgot to mention my 320,97 hull still perfect shape and never been passed by a fountain,it rides on the pad like it is on rails and no hull problems.Could not resist.The more HP The better she rides.Mike did you get a new Concept or what,sweet rides,talk to ya soon.

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Ruffles have ridges :drink:

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The Velocity is foam cored, vaccum bagged and has no wood (foam stringers, bulkheads and floors). It's very strong. The pleasure versions are essentially the same construction as the race boats.

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so tat makes fountain a ruffle?

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are they really that light???........Ive never put much stock in claimed boat wieght.......I once saw a test in Powerboat that said the 32 Sleekcraft (twin BB) they tested wieghed 3500lbs!!!.......I wrote in( they printed my letter in the next issue) and said WTF!.....they said they request the manufactures "tell them" (they dont wiegh them themselves) the bare hull wieght.....no rigging just glass........but most manufactures (again) tell them a fully rigged wieght, so they print that (NOT very scientific IMO).......I also know alot of manufactures give a "dry" wieght......and they mean dry!.......no batteries, no gas, no water no anything, and a stipped down version with no options.......there is no set procedure or guidelines for a man. to wiegh a boat.........thier all over the place

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i cnat ssee a velocity 29 being ligher than a 29 foutnain considerin its really like comparin a 29 to a.....26 :D

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beachbob, I looked at Velocitys too, they are very fast because of their weight. A 280 with a 575 should push 90 I'm told. Living near the factory, I see them all the time down here. For me, personally, the look/layout just didn't do it. I like the hull design and they do ride really high at speed. I have a vid from the Toys for Tots of one you V guys shooting the 19 bridge buried somewhere in my computer. What sold me on the Fountain was watching a Poker run video. I saw a Fountain and a Velocity side by side about the same size. The water was obviousely chewed up. The Velocity just looked like a bucking bronco to me while the Fountain seems to be riding a lot smoother. It all depends on what you want to do. There's always tradeoffs. I have a boat with a similar hull to a Velocity and I can crank the wheel hard over at nearly full speed unlike a Fountain but in rough water it's like riding on gas charged shocks. Good Luck in your quest to fly! :drink:

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Hey buddy, I think I need a ride on that 320. What do ya say? I'll buy the gas and beer! :drink:

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My 1994 is still tight as a drum, best hull I've ever seen. You just gotta run 'em hard and fast! :D

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I was waiting for you to chime in but why not post all the facts. Boat wake, yea if a tug is a boat. They were admittely over trimmed running all out launched, tripped and stuffed. Friend of mine did the exact same thing in the East River in a 35 Sonic except in addition to a broken boat he had broken his back in 3 places.

All boats break personally I have seen 3 Fountains (Sarasota, Mississauga - Toronto) come apart sure wish I took pics, 1 MTI with half the bottom missing after running in the Bay in Corpus Christi and even saw a Skater or 2 come apart. All boats break, do they happen more often to Velocity, nope but for some reason you really like going after them. I got to give you one thing, at least your consistent :D

BTW, my 41 is now 10 years old and still solid.

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I was at Sandy Hook when that Sonic was heading out. It was over 100 degrees that day and humid. It felt like the Amazon jungle. Anyway here comes that Sonic full bore as it always goes and fades into the steamy mist.....Some time later here comes Sea Tow full bore going in the same direction....Later I saw the Sonic, what a disaster! And heard the injury report..I was glad nobody was killed. That had to be some sight!

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A 26' Velocity broke apart up here in Chcago a few years back...he flew over a boat wake and the front half of the boat broke off at the helm.
Owner found dead a day later. :(

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:rolleyes:

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I'm comparing a 29 fever to a 29 vr1 the velocity is 1500lbs lighter according to thier websites?? dimensions look dam close fountain has beak but is 2 inches wider and both have swim platform?? So if these velocitys break do the new 29;s? think they just started making them around 2003 (not sure about that maybe someone knows?) TX for all the post keep em coming! :drink:

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you know everytime something comes up about velocity's you chime in with this ONE STORY why don't you tell us about the new extreme v fountain that the bottom came out of in keywest this year on the first time they ran the boat or how many have spun out and thrown people out . all boats break most of the time it is drivers miss judgment that is the blame but when the bottom of the boat delaminates that is not driver that is poor building of the boat

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Here's another story about stuffing a powerboat and build quality.

It's July 1990 and my friend Billy Stedman wants to take his 28' Cigarette for a couple hour tour of duty. The boat is mint. Power is twin small block chevys... merc trans...trs drives. A very heavy duty 65mph boat. We launch at Atlantic highlands at around 3pm..idle out of the marina, then he presses the zero efforts all the way forward and within minutes we are speeding under the Verranzano bridge toward Manhattan. We head up the East river and follow it around till it comes back to the Hudson.
Here is where it gets interesting.
As we turn left to head home we notice the wind has picked up considerably and the Hudson is getting a little nasty. We head into it at full speed. We are loving it! Tight, neat 4' to 5' waves, 65mph as we speed under the George Washington bridge. Wind howling, small blocks screaming and the wave heights increasing to 6', The distance between them is increasing also. The 28' Cigarette made a few leaps forward as it struggled to span the distance between the waves...I glance at Billy,he has a frozen smile on his face with the throttles pinned forward. Then it happens, leap,trip,stuff at full speed into the trough of a 6' wave. The impact shot Billy forward out of the bolster and to the left, striking his head on the boat. I had a death grip on the grabrail and ducked as we entered the wave. Enough water to fill an Oylimpic size swimming pool passed overhead. Then we resurfaced, cockpit full of water, engines still running and Flipper on the sunpad. Holy Hell!! I jump over Billy and pull the throttles back. Amazingly enough the engines are still running, the boat is still floating the bildge pumps are pumping to beat the band. And Bill looks like an Ostrich layed an egg on his head. What a lump! To shorten this story up a bit we made it back to port and later examined the boat. It did not have a single stress crack anywhere. He kept the boat for a few more years. It did not ever make a creaking noise no matter how rough the water was. This Cigarette was as solid as Billy's head.

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DITTO! Late 80's me and my buddy where coming into Miami around Jedi (not sure what the area called) Stuffed wave so bad broke the windshield in a 38 kv scarab.(the little plastic like black one) Whole cabin fell apart and mirrors broke in cabin! Was thrown onto rear engine hatches when it happen..Boat hull and engines fine and was like 10 inches if water in whole boat, bilge pumped it right out!!was scary as hell!! :eek:

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Mike, Posting at 2:47am??? Shouldn't you be sleeping?

Mike

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Even though I STILL regret selling my 26' Thoroughbred to bglz - Comanche's story makes me glad I got a 28' Cig to replace it!

Now, if there were only some waves on Lake Travis....

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Unless there were 14 other boats running with it then it was a different day. This accident happened on our yearly fun run to Kings Piont LI. The run has gotten a lot smaller over the years but back in then there were a lot more boats. If you ever pull that blue tarp off the 36 you should run with us.

The Sonic did make it back on its own power that day. The following year the 35 was gone and a 45 with the identical paint job was on the lift. Now it's a 51 Epoxy OL :D

The fun run

You can come looking for stress cracks on my '96 41 Velocity. If Panther has an honest moment he'll tell you the boat is run hard. It may not be an Apache but twin 550s will push you well into the 80s and it doesn't break drives.

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Johnjan, bring that Cig to Galveston Bay! :D

Your old Thoroughbred has seen some ROUGH water conditions in the bay, and has always come out good. No new cracks! No problems. Flies level and fast!

Jim

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Wasn't the Velocity that broke in front of the windshied in Chicago and 22? I'm pretty sure and when the final story came out. The guy was jumping HUGE wakes, much bigger than anyone should be in a 22.

Also are the wieght bare hulls only? I have to believe that Velocity saves some weight in other areas other than just the outer hull.

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according to thier websites the Velocity is 1500lbs lighter including motor and drives... It's pretty amazing they can make it that much lighter.. It Is faster then the fountain by the way. (you already knew that :drink: )

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Sounds Good!

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Of course Mike knows that. He has been bad mouthing and crying ever since Velocity beat him in F1 racing. :D

By the way, I run my 280 in big water on Lake Erie, Huron and Ontario, it is a 1998 and no problems.

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4 velocitys and no busted hulls! just drives and eng! Feaver Mike what do you run know?

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Sorry Mike, I am getting old and memory is going. That was your Scarab not a Fountain.

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i was not picking on just fountains i like them and have the most respect for reggie i was there when he set the record the point i am trying to make is all boats can break and a lot has to do with how they a driven but you always seem to bring up the same old crap one boat that was being over driven and broke give it a rest do you have a personal problem with steve stepp if so take it up with him . as for a whinner if i was then everytime someone brought up a ? about a boat that i did not like i would be on here trying to slam them as you do maybe you need to look up the definition of a whinner cause you seem to fit form where i set :(

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I was gonna say, if you were at the Hook that day, you would have seen an Army about about 20 boats go by..... Some time later would have been 4-6 hrs later.

The accident happen about 75-100 yards off the stern of the boat I was riding in. I still have vivid memories of that day.. :(

Also, I drove the boat and lifted it out of the water the following week and the boat wasn't BROKE...... It was structurally sound but needed some cosmetic touches on the inside from what I saw.

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Cosmetic touches :D :D

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Broken bulkheads anyone? :D

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I must be thinking of another boat, this one had a huge hole in it

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Could that have been the old Sonic that had the bottom delaminate? The boat was over at the Cove for a while.

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That's possible...it was quite a few years back.

How's the Apache running?