Save the Old Race Boats
05-29-2006, 09:20 AM
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Re: Save the Old Race Boats
If you had an ex race boat would you paint it back to original? mine is a 1991, so I am close. there are alot of opinions in the past forums about the original owner having name rights on a fairness level.
what do you think? also,pant work would be a major expense to put into an older boat for sale value.
thoughts??
Ken
what do you think? also,pant work would be a major expense to put into an older boat for sale value.
thoughts??
Ken
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05-29-2006, 06:41 PM
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It would depend on the actual boat.......let's say that someone actually found the "Cigarette" that Aronow raced, it would not be a smart move to repaint that boat red and re name it. As with sportscars, the value lies in the restoration process. The objective is to bring it back to as original condition as possible.
As far as the engines etc, modern stuff would be more preferable, if the boat is to be used....if just a show boat, set up dummies that look like the old stuff.
Not easy answers....what if you found the old Dante's Inferno that became Betty Cook's first open class racer, which name and color scheme would you put on the boat??
In the end, it comes down to the owners own idea of what makes the boat more valuable and enjoyable for him.
It would depend on the actual boat.......let's say that someone actually found the "Cigarette" that Aronow raced, it would not be a smart move to repaint that boat red and re name it. As with sportscars, the value lies in the restoration process. The objective is to bring it back to as original condition as possible.
As far as the engines etc, modern stuff would be more preferable, if the boat is to be used....if just a show boat, set up dummies that look like the old stuff.
Not easy answers....what if you found the old Dante's Inferno that became Betty Cook's first open class racer, which name and color scheme would you put on the boat??
In the end, it comes down to the owners own idea of what makes the boat more valuable and enjoyable for him.
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05-29-2006, 07:47 PM
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Re: Save the Old Race Boats
BT... I will respectfully agree to disagree. The boat "Maltese Magnum" was not in the evolution of the 32/33. It was in the evolution of the model... Maltese Magnum.. the same boat that saw such names as "midnight maddness"(owend and raced by the Smith Brothers... Ex Renegade fame) and others owned by Bobby Sheer and Howard Qualm. Just my 2 cents...
05-29-2006, 08:16 PM
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This displays the cross sections at the entry only... 32/ 33 is Convex, 28 is Straight... A classic North Carolina sportfish would be Concave.... Etc.
05-30-2006, 08:12 AM
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Really MidOcean I knew what do you mean,but to me the 1967's 28' and the 32' had the same entry convex. Maybe the 28' was little bit to straight instead the 32'.
If we should have the original scale drawings....
If we should have the original scale drawings....
05-30-2006, 08:33 AM
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Your question is difficult to answer.
But in the example posted by McCarthy regarded the Cig.36' Dante's Inferno-Kaama surely I should have done the original version of that 36',by two reasons:
It was the only Dante's Inferno( there was two Dante's-89/98 but we don't know where is the second)
There was other Kaama more famous,the World Champion in 1977 Scarab 38' or the second bought by Betty Cook in 1979-80.
Otherwise I think that is better remake the original version of a race boat scecially if it have had a onoured racing career,and it is unusual to found a boat that have had a better career than the original version.
Your question is difficult to answer.
But in the example posted by McCarthy regarded the Cig.36' Dante's Inferno-Kaama surely I should have done the original version of that 36',by two reasons:
It was the only Dante's Inferno( there was two Dante's-89/98 but we don't know where is the second)
There was other Kaama more famous,the World Champion in 1977 Scarab 38' or the second bought by Betty Cook in 1979-80.
Otherwise I think that is better remake the original version of a race boat scecially if it have had a onoured racing career,and it is unusual to found a boat that have had a better career than the original version.
05-30-2006, 04:19 PM
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Hi guys! My 2 cents-worth!
The way I see it - any restoration should be to the most renowned livery. Of course it could be a matter of geography - over here in Europe Dante's Inferno was not a famous boat. But as Kaama, it won the prestigious Cowes Torquay race in 1978 with you know who driving. So if you asked me I would of course say that that particular hull should be restored to the Kaama livery.
Another example would be the Yellowdrama - Benihana cat. But then, what about trying out the Nuri Subuncu approach and having two different names on each side?? a.la. Turkish Express/Chairman of the Board??!!!
The way I see it - any restoration should be to the most renowned livery. Of course it could be a matter of geography - over here in Europe Dante's Inferno was not a famous boat. But as Kaama, it won the prestigious Cowes Torquay race in 1978 with you know who driving. So if you asked me I would of course say that that particular hull should be restored to the Kaama livery.
Another example would be the Yellowdrama - Benihana cat. But then, what about trying out the Nuri Subuncu approach and having two different names on each side?? a.la. Turkish Express/Chairman of the Board??!!!
05-30-2006, 06:58 PM
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Looking for photos of this boat that raced in Europe in the early 80's.
I know that this actual boat, was in fact, designed by Jean claude Simon....as I paid the original bill for the design work.
I know that this actual boat, was in fact, designed by Jean claude Simon....as I paid the original bill for the design work.
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KAAMA is in the house!!!
I have the '79 Kaama Scarab that Betty Cook raced as "KAAMA" then "Michelob Light". Was sold to Ron Hirschberg and raced as "Revenge".
Anybody that knows this boat PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me. I am documenting the history and would love to get more info on Betty Cook, etc. Mention OSO , KAAMA, etc when leaving a message and I will return call ASAP.
Thanks!
Ronnie aka Bulldog
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I have the '79 Kaama Scarab that Betty Cook raced as "KAAMA" then "Michelob Light". Was sold to Ron Hirschberg and raced as "Revenge".
Anybody that knows this boat PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me. I am documenting the history and would love to get more info on Betty Cook, etc. Mention OSO , KAAMA, etc when leaving a message and I will return call ASAP.
Thanks!
Ronnie aka Bulldog
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05-31-2006, 12:05 AM
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Re: Save the Old Race Boats
Originally Posted by Bulldog
KAAMA is in the house!!!
I have the '79 Kaama Scarab that Betty Cook raced as "KAAMA" then "Michelob Light". Was sold to Ron Hirschberg and raced as "Revenge".
Anybody that knows this boat PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me. I am documenting the history and would love to get more info on Betty Cook, etc. Mention OSO , KAAMA, etc when leaving a message and I will return call ASAP.
Thanks!
Ronnie aka Bulldog
H 1-985-893-3831
W 1-228-688-3414
I have the '79 Kaama Scarab that Betty Cook raced as "KAAMA" then "Michelob Light". Was sold to Ron Hirschberg and raced as "Revenge".
Anybody that knows this boat PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me. I am documenting the history and would love to get more info on Betty Cook, etc. Mention OSO , KAAMA, etc when leaving a message and I will return call ASAP.
Thanks!
Ronnie aka Bulldog
H 1-985-893-3831
W 1-228-688-3414
Contact OSO member Lucididee.
She may have all you want to know about Betty Cook.
