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It seems all the big talkers (mainly those that don't even own a boat) but not necessarily, are all about the stepp...
Not looking to start sh!t, but personally a fan of the no dancing, no blower, "big water" rigs. Bring your pics to the table... :drink: |
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Old School?Where are you? :D :drink:
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sbrt tow boat:D
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heres our....totally old school....has three new 600hp 555 bowties, but will have trip 960hp courtesy of three new procharger m3s this winter.... :cool:
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Originally Posted by JCPERF
Old School?Where are you? :D :drink:
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Great looking Cig! I like them all, step or no step, blower or N/A but big power.
I also like the different "brands" as they all have their good/bad points. :cool: |
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What does the founder of Velocity powerboats have to do with this? I'm confused... :confused:
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huh.....im lost :D
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Oops, forgot the pics. Just 500's...but it should still crush the waves. :drink: :evilb:
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Originally Posted by 375stinger
huh.....im lost :D
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hey oldschool, you should check your gear lube levels more often :eek:
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I think someones a bit proud of their boat... :rolleyes:
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Sorry, but if you don't have steps, you'll need Blowermotors to go fast.... :p
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Sorry, but if you don't have steps, you'll need Blowermotors to go fast.... |
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Personally, I am a fan of a boat that will work :rolleyes: :p Know what I mean Vern? :D
Now, the real question is, who's naturally aspirated??? :evilb: |
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Originally Posted by ratman
doesn't craig have some whoopazz blower motors in his rig? like 1240's or something ....
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Sorry, but if you don't have steps, you'll need Blowermotors to go fast.... :p
Sorry, I believe he said in his first post.."Big Water" |
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Nice photo...:drink:
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Great Pic..
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Sorry, I believe he said in his first post.."Big Water"
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This is off Velocity's website under setting the record straight:
Steve Stepp would like to set the record straight: FACT: Steve Stepp has no relationship to and/or did not design the “stepped” or ventilated bottom design, which has become so popular in recent years. FACT: Stepped or ventilated bottom designs cause more boats to spin out and/or barrel roll more than any other hull design in boat building history. FACT: In the past four years, there have been at least one spin out or barrel roll of a stepped or ventilated bottom boat with a professional driver at nearly every APBA Offshore Event. FACT: In 1978, VELOCITY was the first offshore boat to utilize the “Pad Bottom” and Step (or notched) transom. These two Steve Stepp design features have been copied by more manufactures than any other offshore design in performance power boating history. FACT: VELOCITY Powerboats builds SAFETY FIRST into every boat they build and will NOT build a ventilated design. As far as old wave crusher designs, boats are like cars the new ones are faster, more efficent etc. Everyone loves to remember the super fast boat they were on 25 years ago or that famous Mustang/ Camaro/ Hemi that was the fastest car on the street ........etc. Reality is that a 1988 Top Gun couldn't break 90 MPH with any amount of naturally asprirated power and a new Top Gun TS will do that with 525's dialed in correctly. Remember 1985 Porsche's best US car didn't make 225 HP, now their cheapest model has more than that. A new M5 (4 door) has 500 HP and will dust off any 80's supercar! Apache, Cig. designs are timeless but without a lot of power they will get dusted off by anything new. That Revolution with triples that 375 stinger's dad is building will be really cool/ rare but probably won't break 90 MPH and will need a lot of power to be even an 80 mph boat. |
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No steps, no blowers, yet I bet back when it was built, there weren't many that passed it.
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You must be getting the fever Neil. I know I sure as hell have it. :drink:
These are old pics, too lazy to resize newer ones. |
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
This is off Velocity's website under setting the record straight:
Steve Stepp would like to set the record straight: FACT: Steve Stepp has no relationship to and/or did not design the “stepped” or ventilated bottom design, which has become so popular in recent years. FACT: Stepped or ventilated bottom designs cause more boats to spin out and/or barrel roll more than any other hull design in boat building history. FACT: In the past four years, there have been at least one spin out or barrel roll of a stepped or ventilated bottom boat with a professional driver at nearly every APBA Offshore Event. FACT: In 1978, VELOCITY was the first offshore boat to utilize the “Pad Bottom” and Step (or notched) transom. These two Steve Stepp design features have been copied by more manufactures than any other offshore design in performance power boating history. FACT: VELOCITY Powerboats builds SAFETY FIRST into every boat they build and will NOT build a ventilated design. As far as old wave crusher designs, boats are like cars the new ones are faster, more efficent etc. Everyone loves to remember the super fast boat they were on 25 years ago or that famous Mustang/ Camaro/ Hemi that was the fastest car on the street ........etc. Reality is that a 1988 Top Gun couldn't break 90 MPH with any amount of naturally asprirated power and a new Top Gun TS will do that with 525's dialed in correctly. Remember 1985 Porsche's best US car didn't make 225 HP, now their cheapest model has more than that. A new M5 (4 door) has 500 HP and will dust off any 80's supercar! Apache, Cig. designs are timeless but without a lot of power they will get dusted off by anything new. That Revolution with triples that 375 stinger's dad is building will be really cool/ rare but probably won't break 90 MPH and will need a lot of power to be even an 80 mph boat. agreed that what your implying it true, but back in the 80s and such, boat racing wasn't the same as it is today...it was a test of boat stability, reliability, build, and driver, unlike today where its just a fountain test course with lake boats running around in circles.... |
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
As far as old wave crusher designs, boats are like cars the new ones are faster, more efficent etc. Everyone loves to remember the super fast boat they were on 25 years ago or that famous Mustang/ Camaro/ Hemi that was the fastest car on the street ........etc. Reality is that a 1988 Top Gun couldn't break 90 MPH with any amount of naturally asprirated power and a new Top Gun TS will do that with 525's dialed in correctly. Remember 1985 Porsche's best US car didn't make 225 HP, now their cheapest model has more than that. A new M5 (4 door) has 500 HP and will dust off any 80's supercar! Apache, Cig. designs are timeless but without a lot of power they will get dusted off by anything new. That Revolution with triples that 375 stinger's dad is building will be really cool/ rare but probably won't break 90 MPH and will need a lot of power to be even an 80 mph boat.
I love hearing how only the old boats were the only big water boats and the new ones like Fountins, Donzi's etc. are not. |
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donzi came before cig :drink:
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Originally Posted by 375stinger
donzi came before cig :drink:
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No worries here....
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Non step...RoughWater Rig...BlowerMotors...Fast...Fountain. :cool:
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
As far as old wave crusher designs, boats are like cars the new ones are faster, more efficent etc. Everyone loves to remember the super fast boat they were on 25 years ago or that famous Mustang/ Camaro/ Hemi that was the fastest car on the street ........etc. Reality is that a 1988 Top Gun couldn't break 90 MPH with any amount of naturally asprirated power and a new Top Gun TS will do that with 525's dialed in correctly. Remember 1985 Porsche's best US car didn't make 225 HP, now their cheapest model has more than that. A new M5 (4 door) has 500 HP and will dust off any 80's supercar! Apache, Cig. designs are timeless but without a lot of power they will get dusted off by anything new. That Revolution with triples that 375 stinger's dad is building will be really cool/ rare but probably won't break 90 MPH and will need a lot of power to be even an 80 mph boat. The point of the old days was to prove that both crew and boat could survive at speed over open ocean racing. Don't forget these races often ran over 200 miles, not to mention the Bahama's 500. Many boats in that era, tried to run blower and turbo motors, they were fast but didn't finish. |
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top banana explained it perfectly...todays boats are built for an entirely different environment than the old school true offshores :cool:
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You old school guys in 25 year old sleds can race around all you want but a Fountain 42 Poker Run with 525's is a 98 MPH boat that will get you there in style and comfort with lesser chance of failure (boat or motor). Any Nortech cat will do the same thing. Where is LS when you need him? Their F2 boat will run with the best of the sleds out there! LS senior has driven these boats for years, do you honestly think he is now settling for a less substantial boat like his F2? Your argument is like saying a 1966 Big Block Corvette crushes a 2006 ZO6. The Z06 will beat down grampa's vette with the A/C on and golf clubs in the trunk!
The old boats were great in their time but are now antiques, relics in a by gone era. If you guys were correct that they are better boats why is the red amsoil Scarab the oldest boat on the circuit? Where are the Apaches, Cigs? The answer: MUSEUMS! |
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...............you do know ls boat is a cig right :drink: ....noone is trying to argue with you, this was a thread about old school boats. we choose these boat cause we like em. we chose to spend a year and a half restoring a cig over a newer tg because we chose to. we are putting near 3000hp in ours and it will prob run near or right on 100 when set up right, and know that would could do that with lesser power in a newer boat, but thats our choice. and personally for gettin somewhere in comfort, if im out in the ocean ill be waay more comfortable in my 15500# cig than a new 42 fountain pr. and when im 16 im gettin myself an old chevelle and gonna put myself a new crate zz572 720horse, cuse i want to :D
if you dont like old school no step offshores than why r u even in this thread? |
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
You old school guys in 25 year old sleds can race around all you want but a Fountain 42 Poker Run with 525's is a 98 MPH boat that will get you there
The old boats were great in their time but are now antiques, relics in a by gone era. If you guys were correct that they are better boats why is the red amsoil Scarab the oldest boat on the circuit? Where are the Apaches, Cigs? The answer: MUSEUMS! Once again, the thread started out talking about BIG WATER. Now, I don't doubt you that a 42 Poker Run Fountain with 525's can do 98 MPH. And I don't question your statement that the red Amsoil Scarab is the oldest boat on the circuit. But I ask....where is the connection with BIG WATER?? Are you saying that the Fountain can run 98 MPH from Miami to Nassau and back? Or are you saying that the "Circuit" of today has so much "BIG WATER", that the point is moot?? I drove LS's boat a couple of weeks ago from Boca Raton to Miami at 90 MPH, so I know what the modern type of boat is capable of. Since everyone goes to Key West in November, maybe you have a Poker Run boat that you would like to run against some old antique....let's say from Miami to Nassau to Key West? Nice little run over some open ocean, shouldn't be a problem at all. There might even be a chance you could catch a flat water day in November. It would certainly go a long way on shutting up all the old school relics. |
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hehe.....yeah yo wanna take some antiques up on a REAL race? :cool:
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Originally Posted by Back4More
Non step...RoughWater Rig...BlowerMotors...Fast...Fountain. :cool:
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I do like old school boats but for a 13 year old to insinuate that they are better is ridiculous! How much BIG WATER boating have you gotten in Kentucky? Your dad's boat may be cool but will probably never see the Ocean again if it ever has. A new sit down boat with shock seats sounds way more comfortable to me. I use the car analogies so people who are unfamiliar with older boats can see my point. Several Apaches attended the Key West Poker Run this year and they looked great. Medicine Man is one of my favorites but did he get a better/faster ride than the guys in 46 Rough Riders? I don't think so. At the lunch stop, the first ones on the dock were 45 Maximus, Xtreme Xibit etc. They weren't there because they had slower, less comfortable boats!
http://www.flpowerboat.com/new/photo...D05-14-076.cfm As far as your Chevelle dreams, don't be shocked when a fast and furious Subaru spanks your Chevelle becuase with all that HP it won't hook up that great, will handle piss poor and couldn't stop to save your life. It's not how fast your car goes but rather how well your car goes fast! Get back to the homework Joe Dirt, your primer Chevelle on blocks will still be in the front yard when you get home from school. BTW, Apache was out of business by the time you were born! |
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Originally Posted by JUKED YOU
hey oldschool, you should check your gear lube levels more often :eek:
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Nice MArk!! Go Saris Racing Engines!
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haha dork..i used to live in florida moron :rolleyes: get a life..joe dirt with a chevelle on blocks? at least im not too cheap to not fork up for a membership :cool:
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