The Tuff's are gorgeous and id bet would surprise a lot of people in big water too.

We have a customer with a 39 (side by side) running mid 80s with bone stock 500s. Its incredible with the boat will do.

Yep.
 

The Tuff's are bad ass and as fast as anything w/similar power and faster than most. Light weight, strong and straight. Don't get much better than that.
BTW, the 29's are gorgeous.

Steps? We don't need no stinking steps :lolhit:

Interesting boats (descendants of our "wing") the bad news is that any Switzer built after Bob and Dave sold the company .... had numerous construction problems.

The simple fact is that steps are meaningless when 90% of the hull is out of the water and the boat is balanced on a pad. The major stepped vee builders use brute power and lower attack angles to force the steps down on the water when they run for max speeds. I have real trepidation about vees at ridiculous speeds in the first place as they are always one "hop" away from a broach and barrel roll. They were never designed for flat water kilos, rather the vee design is a rough/choppy water modification to a monohull. Rayson Craft and other flat bottom builders changed to "semi vees" for rough water marathon courses, but continued to build pure flat bottoms for drag racing. This proves the logic that flat planing surfaces are fastest without any dihedral and this is the basis for "Pads".

IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.

that makes a lot of sense and we all appreciate you helping us understand. thanks!

When was the last time Velocity won a world championship?

tuff 28
 

The TUFF 28 is 22.5 deg and the TUFF 21 is 21 deg.
great boats

Been a few years! BUT they are not known for spinning out and ejecting their drivers and passengers into the water. SPINNER BOTTOMS

For the past 20 years a Jeep Cherokee on a plywood raft could win (buy) a "World Championship" of one form or another.

Tuff 28 22.5 degree dead rise runs 95 mph with a 525 weighs about 3500 lbs. so it should run 98-100 with a 565, and 101-102 with a 600.

Outerlimits 29 21 degree dead rise on the last step runs 98-99 with a 565 and 101 with 600 but weights 4800lbs. (there is plenty video of this boat running hard and does not seem to be in any danger of a spin out.)

Theses two boats are probably the fastest v bottoms at this length. (or even most cats, save for maybe the redline 26 or nordic 27, but then again not to many single I/O cats that are around this length) How is it that the OL can weigh 1300lbs more and still run virtually the same speeds? I know that they threw every trick in the book, (lower that 24 degree dead rise, pad, multiple steps) But the tuff has two of those three and way less weight to lug around.

For the record I have no horse in this race just looking to gain some knowledge and maybe play devils advocate :daz: