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TeamSaris 01-24-2013 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by WildThing47 (Post 3854615)
When was the last time Velocity won a world championship?

Held a kilo record in F1 and won P5 2 years ago I think...turning is everything in P5 ;)

TeamSaris 01-24-2013 05:02 PM

[QUOTE=T2x;385440

IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.[/QUOTE]

Yes! Anyone who has experience in a cat will agree with that statement

Interceptor 01-24-2013 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3854757)
For the past 20 years a Jeep Cherokee on a plywood raft could win (buy) a "World Championship" of one form or another.

Would that Jeep run in the marine plywood or exterior plywood class ?
Yup, offshore racing sanction bodies probably have the most imaginative use of the title "world championship" considering most of the world and a good chunk of the USA has little involvement as a spectator or competitor.

professor_speed 01-24-2013 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 3854806)
Would that Jeep run in the marine plywood or exterior plywood class ?
Yup, offshore racing sanction bodies probably have the most imaginative use of the title "world championship" considering most of the world and a good chunk of the USA has little involvement as a spectator or competitor.

Its funny that you can go racing for one weekend end and walk away world champion, lol and maybe you raced one other boat lol. :thankyouthankyou:

Coolerman 01-24-2013 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by T2x (Post 3854409)
The simple fact is that steps are meaningless when 90% of the hull is out of the water and the boat is balanced on a pad. The major stepped vee builders use brute power and lower attack angles to force the steps down on the water when they run for max speeds. I have real trepidation about vees at ridiculous speeds in the first place as they are always one "hop" away from a broach and barrel roll. They were never designed for flat water kilos, rather the vee design is a rough/choppy water modification to a monohull. Rayson Craft and other flat bottom builders changed to "semi vees" for rough water marathon courses, but continued to build pure flat bottoms for drag racing. This proves the logic that flat planing surfaces are fastest without any dihedral and this is the basis for "Pads".

IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.

I would agree with Rich on this. Several vee-hull builders come to mind that run too flat. The point of the hull that breaks a hole in the water for the rest of the boat to follow is too far forward and it makes it really easy for the boat to catch/hook/roll.

I will say though, our 43 BT runs pretty much on it's tail at 130+, but it will still click off of the hull areas where the steps are when going over wakes/chop.

Twin O/B Sonic 01-24-2013 08:30 PM

I bumped into an old girlfriend yrs ago.....
 

Originally Posted by professor_speed (Post 3854822)
Its funny that you can go racing for one weekend end and walk away world champion, lol and maybe you raced one other boat lol. :thankyouthankyou:

and she introduced me to one of her friends as her x boyfriend "world champion" boat racer and I had no clue what she was talking about. :cartman: She kept trying to remind me of it and I came off looking like a total doofus as I didn't get it.
Back in my kneel down hyrdoplane racing days I won a race in Laredo Texas. That race was billed as the "Laredo World Championship" :daz:
You can all any race you want, a "World Championship".

MonkeySea2 01-25-2013 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by professor_speed (Post 3854766)
Tuff 28 22.5 degree dead rise runs 95 mph with a 525 weighs about 3500 lbs. so it should run 98-100 with a 565, and 101-102 with a 600.

Outerlimits 29 21 degree dead rise on the last step runs 98-99 with a 565 and 101 with 600 but weights 4800lbs. (there is plenty video of this boat running hard and does not seem to be in any danger of a spin out.)

Theses two boats are probably the fastest v bottoms at this length. (or even most cats, save for maybe the redline 26 or nordic 27, but then again not to many single I/O cats that are around this length) How is it that the OL can weigh 1300lbs more and still run virtually the same speeds? I know that they threw every trick in the book, (lower that 24 degree dead rise, pad, multiple steps) But the tuff has two of those three and way less weight to lug around.

For the record I have no horse in this race just looking to gain some knowledge and maybe play devils advocate :daz:

Didn't Mike Fiore barrel roll the 29 footer once or twice?

professor_speed 01-25-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by MonkeySea2 (Post 3855140)
Didn't Mike Fiore barrel roll the 29 footer once or twice?

Rolled it cause of faulty trim tab indicator, IE tab was down when he thought it was up entered hard turn and the rest is history. I don't think it would have mattered if it steps or not, big tabs in the wrong position and hard turn could make any boat go over.

thirdchildhood 01-25-2013 12:38 PM

Shouldn't have to rely on tab indicators. Especially if Fiore was driving, with his experience.

TeamSaris 01-25-2013 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3855250)
Shouldn't have to rely on tab indicators. Especially if Fiore was driving, with his experience.

I have agree with that...I could certainly see it upsetting a boat...maybe even a spin..but all the way over?
More steps = less boat to grip to the water.


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