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I would think there are SEVERAL HUNDRED if not thousand Cigarettes and probably less than a hundred Apaches in the world so they are alittl tougher to come by. Hell the probably are less than 30 41' how many 38's do you think there are?

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Hmmmmm ...... Where have I heard this before ??? :rolleyes: :D :drink:

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well that's tru (i forgot that) about the old ones, but how about the new ones ? only 2 have been done that i know of. that's it. There's only 5 MPH models in the world 4 in the states and one over seas

jr Mike

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We will have both out there. I am working out a deal with him on running Fat Boy( Paying for fuel and such.) And bringing the chicks! :drink: As far as getting it in the stable I am working on that also. I really need to own that boat! It's got my name on it. :D

Dean

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Dean,

I'd put that boat put against most Apaches out there. It has more racing history than any Cig out there. It would be great to see it out and running. With your power it will be tough to beat.

A.B.

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Thats great news !!! Lookin forward to runnin around with you guys some this summer !!! :drink: I thing Roger owes us some drinks ?!?!?!?!? :evilb:

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A-men !!!! Sure looked good last fall runnin back from "Bula !!! :cool:

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Fat Boy needs to be back on the race course.....I suggest P3 in SBI to tag team with P3-19..... :D

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I throttle the 38 Cig , however I voted for Apache because it has always been my favorite race boat. It all boils down to who is in the boat and has the balls big enough to hang it all out and for I one can care less if I have a 41/47 whatever on my port/std in the first turn.

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..uh, ......dude, ...........we hardly ever have anyone on our port/stb side at the first turn..... :drink:

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Since we are Bull****tin

What about this one, just to mix it up a little - 42 with 1050s and sixs, with a 6 man bolster, on their website it is listed at $119, not bad compaired to a 87' 41 apache for 175 without motors

http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/page-6490.html

Wild

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McManus Apache

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CIG!! 41 is way to big for what i would doo... 30 is a good size for me...

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If thats one of those few vac bagged 42's cig build way back when(early 90's) its worthless in rough water. Was at a race with one of those in 91, bounced off the waves like a piece of styofoam and would stand straight up. After one lap the bottom delaiminated and it almost sank. Not one of Cigs best efforts.

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bring that cig my money is on this

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you spell mony like this money :evilb: haha i had to

jr Mike

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I fixed it

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No Contest>>>>>>>>apache

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Rockstrmker, is that Warpath 69 in Newburyport, MA?

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I'm assuming Warpath still lives in MA . The pics I posted are a few years old. I have not spoken to Jay, the owner, in a quite a while.

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I met Jay while flying home from KW last year. He said the boat is recently redone and is in great shape. He said he has problems with the noise in that area.

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Cool!
He's a super nice guy, and that boat sure has a lot of history.
If that thing ever came up for sale....

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....you will have to fight me for it!! :D :evilb: :p

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Hi Ike -
C'mon...What about me ????????
You need another Apache ? Putting together a small fleet ??

Have you run your new monster yet ? Sure looks great !
Good luck with her !
Hans

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Well said. Two awesome boats, you can't go wrong either way!

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Hans Thanks, I have had my latest 41 for almost a year and have not used it yet, i'm dying to get out on the water in may. I have always wanted warpath, that boat is just BADASS and it would not be fair if you got it because i am only on my 4th apache :evilb: :D

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I would be proud to own either one, but when comparing the boats from that time frame, I have to go with Apache. I don't know exactly what it is, but there is just something about the Apaches that I really like.

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You guys need to bring that big, yellow beast to Ocean City this summer. There is another 41 Apache here and a hand full of Cigarettes and others. We could have lots of fun running up and down the coast waking up all of the people trying to sleep on the beach! :D

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HMMMMMMMMMM.........................Sounds like a plan.....Ike...what do you think? :cool: Ocean runnin' :cool:

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Yep. In the Chicago race, with Craig and Bud.

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Several reasons-

First, more people buy used boats- way more. There are a thousand other boats available for every Apache.

Second- Apache's are heavy and take alot of power. The original one's anyway. Now you've got a hull & power that needs 6's. I can go faster, cheaper in a TG. Also, not everyone can rack-store a 41. Most can handle a 38. One might PREFER an Apache but OWN a TG or other boat for practical or economic reasons.

Third- On the new one's, there's that whole Apace/McManus/Comanche/Saccenti mess to weed through and an exceptionally low-profile custom builder to deal with. How many new TG's are there out there right now you could take delivery on tomorrow? More than a couple.

Fourth- If you want to own an Apache, you're dealing with a vintage boat- not unlike a vintage car. You can dump alot of money into one, just like an old Vette or something like that. The transoms had a limited life expectancy and if not redone properly it can be an even bigger mess. Like anything 20 years old, God only knows what bastardized patchwork lies beneath that shiny, new paint. You have to be a hands-on guy with skills and resources or a wealthy guy who wants something totally different.


The barriers to owning an Apache are significant. I don't know that everyone realizes or remembers all this but I can tell you this- you can walk down the docks anywhere there are more than a handul of fast boats, the Apache is going to get the greatest number of looks and comments.

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Well Put!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wanna here something?

http://media.putfile.com/Gellner-44

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sweet :evilb: :evilb:

jr mike

Re: 9O MPH / 41 Apache race
 

Mike, I just started using the windows movie maker.......This is gonna be a well documented summer!! :D

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I can't wait to hear it without the mufflers!

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Oh and with both of them running :evilb:

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sounds great Ike, cant wait to see you on the bay this summer:)

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Well lets hope Pulte does not get in to building boats because if there boats leaked like there houses the BIT**** Would sink.It is gonna be interesting on the Bay this summer to see who Ike and John beat up on in the RUFF. :D