Konrad Conversion 1 of 2!
 

Currently finishing the first of two Konrad conversions.
We are the authorized installation and service center for Konrad in South Florida, and thrilled to be working with such a professional and technically advanced company. Konrad's testing facility ensures their products do as they say, and they are all a pleasure to do business with! Kurt has been especially helpful, stopping by while in Florida for the Sarasota Poker Run.
This project is a 42 Sonic, here are some photo's, more to follow in the next few days, with details of Water Test. The boat was running XR type drives, with his 720 HP Twin
INNOVATION motors, we re-rigged with Konrad 540's with Standoff boxes for the BAM Transmissions.

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nice.

was the boat blowing up the xr's? I wonder if their is some performance gains to be had along with the reliability?

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Is that NJ Sonic's boat?

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Yes, and we shall see. Sonics are pretty bow heavy, maybe some additional stern-weight will be good. We will provide run details, before and after..

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no, he is #2 0f 2, de-rigging now.

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I'm interested to see how the cog change will affect how the boat runs.
Will be standing by. :drink:

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... Pic of Sonic #1 when running ....

...and when limping home on one engine after an XR blow-up ...

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Can't wait to see my photos. :D Mindi looks like Warren is having too much fun.Send my regards to the whole crew.

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Curious why you pulled the K-planes off ... ?

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my buddy, is thinking of a set on a 38ft formula with about 900 hp, what do you think of that set up????

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Very nice. We've done a few out here onthe West Coast. Looking to do the same conversion on a 38 Scarab with 900's.

Here's our own Fountain. 675hp mills, 29' non-step. this thing's a resin bucket and mowed through drives before. We've got about 150+ trouble free and abusive hours on the drives now.

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Another Pantera we resently finnished.

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What standoff box?.........is it one made by Konrad......or others?

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Reddog 382,
The K-planes were pulled to repaint the transom because the the tail pipes are repositioned(because the engines have to be lifted approx 1 inch) and the holes for the steering must be filled as well as the hoses from the "Bravo Type Drives". It is a much cleaner job this way.Doller Offshore is doing the same thing to my Sonic.

Mike 35 Fountain,
The standoff box is a Konrad part. It houses the "Bam" 1350 transmission, and also supports the steering cylinders.

Bob,
Your buddy will have to talk to Konrad because of the horsepower. 900 will probably be too much for the drive.

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Lofty,
Were both your conversions "TRS" to Konrad 540's?
Doller Offshore is doing Bravo type to Konrad ACE conversions.

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My Sonic 386 is the #2 boat that Doller Offshore is doing.The Boat is currently being derigged.

Here's before photo's of the my transom.

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Lofty

How did that conversion work out on that pantera . does the boat handle the same ? what kind of power is it running ? what speeds , prop ? I have a new pantera being built and almost went for a konrad but just don't know enough about them are how it would work on a Pantera .
Thanks Morgan

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NJsonic...thanks for the reply..........When Imco came out with their 4x4
setup I called and tried to buy just the box, they said no way!

I have 800 hp per side in my Fountain and will probably bump up to 900
this year if I don't sell. What is Konrad rated for? I don't abuse my boat
but do like a big cruise speed. The real problem I have is lack of room
in the bilge ( I put on a couple of pounds over the years ) but I do all
my own work and would like to push the motors back. I might consider
these drives with the boxes.

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Mike,
What drive do you have now?

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TRS..both rebuilt by Speedmasters , they also did both trans with additional clutches

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Mike,
Konrad rates the drives 738 lb. ft. of torque,but may give approval with higher torque. I think if you bump the engines to 900hp you will be to high for these. Talk to Konrad Marine or Mindi @ Doller Offshore.

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Right now I'm at 765 lbs torque at 3500 rpm

Thanks again for the info..

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Is that your peak torque? If it is your rpm's seem too low.I could see peak torque in the 4500+rpm range.

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I dont have the dyno sheets in front of me, I think they are at my house in FL........I know torque was 765 and hp was 797 on one engine and 798 on
the other. I thought it was 3500 but I could be wrong.

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todays pic, last drive going on, getting ready to run!

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Congratulations Mindy on a job well done! Looks awesome! Congratulations also to NJSonic he will be very happy with those drives. We feel the same about the Konrad's. We just got a program set up with Konrad to package their ACE system with our new HO750 motor package. Keep up the great work and we'll talk some more soon!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

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Now that sounds like THE package to have!!!

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I'm curious too, Lofty. My 24 Pantera is going to need a drive someday when I smoke the TRS. Please comment on the outcome. thanks!

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Talon25/Shawna,
The Pantera is running 700hp 540cid and de-tuned to a lower hp (timing). Was rigged with a TRS and ran in the mid 70's with a Mirage 27 three blade.

We rebuilt with a BAM trany and the Konrad. Now spins a Bravo 31 and runs a solid 95++ GPS. It's just too loose to run any faster so we haven't tried but it has alot left over.

The boat handles great with the Konrad. The new lower has very good rudder and provides good stability at all speeds. It's a small hull and feels like such at the higher speeds.

NJSonic,
The Scarab that we are going to re-rig will be an ACE system from Bravo XR's.

Ray, I think the owner has been in touch with you on the motor package. I know that Chris Ayers (Poker Runs West) is excited about his new boat with the ACE/Raylar package going into his new boat.

Should be a good summer for Konrad owners but I can't help but remember the Maytag repairman ads. That's what it'll be like for the Konrad repairman.

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Wow, thats some increase. That TRS was sucking some power away. I had 560hp/550tq w/ a built up B1 and was running 75gps spinning a 23mir+. This just shows how efficient the Konrad is. I look forward to seeing more of these improvements over other drives.

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Should be a good summer for Konrad owners but I can't help but remember the Maytag repairman ads. That's what it'll be like for the Konrad repairman.[/QUOTE]


Yes, I was thinking that! I figure gear lube changes are the most Service we will be doing!
We are ready to go for a ride, we are first trying his P5X's, 28's that he was using, and will go from there.
Will keep you posted..

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Stormrider,
My statement was a little deceptive. The Konrad DID indeed increase top end but I don't know by how much. The motor wasn't producing peak power before because the owner had it "de-tuned" so he wouldn't keep breaking drives. We tooled it back up when we installed the Konrad.

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Dollar,
Keep us posted on the performance #'s. Looks like a nice install. Amazing how easy the Konrad stuff goes together!

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Gotchya... still that is screamin fast for that 24.
I thought at 75 it was gettin loose.

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Yeah, too fast for my chicken-azz!

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Beautiful Ride! Of course, there is a break in period so I will not have top speed comparisons for you yet, BUT, boat performed beautiful, jumps up on plane.The biggest difference so far is that usually Trim does not have too much effect on the Sonics, but now, due to COG difference I would assume, Trim really lifts the bow and boat! We will test again tomorrow with the owner, and get his opinions since he knows his boat much better than us...

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sounds like trannys in boxes and pushing the drive back helped out!

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very nice work, and luv the way your people take the time to protect the boat shows the caliber of your work and professionalism :drink: :drink: :drink:

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I would asume that the difference would be more the boxes then the CG's? The set up I do not recal being that much more in weight then the bravo ITS drive? Can't waite to hear what you get for performance.

Jon

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Yes, Probably a little bit of both...