LOTO- Sound Violations Worse than ever
 

It seems our additional funding for our beloved water patrol have even enhanced their efforts to enforce the sound ordinances, now in addition to the stationary tests, they are now enforcing the moving tests, which is within 50' of your boat you must be less than 86 decibels running, another unattainable goal for a supercharged motor, they are hiding around docks, points and nailing people as they drive by, Spoke with an officer yesterday, he had written 10 tickets himself in the last 24 hours and as a total the water patrol had issued 45, this continues to be a thorn in us powerboaters side. It looks like I'm going to have to have the local mad scientists go to work on their new invention the dreaded sound elimination sound log, Sean , you and 3600 cat let me know how your experiment is going, avoid contact with water patrol until the sound guru's find the answer, signing off here comes the patrol now.

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what a joke, seems every day we are loosing a right on some water way :mad:

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yes we are 90 decibles below here at idle i think

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we are 90 also But the kicker here is we cant have switchable exhaust. we have to have mufflers or through the out drive. they will ticket us for silent chosie. be glad you dont have to deal with that :(

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same here if the find it they will make you shut it off and test you with out it. We can have it just aslong as it passes without it. :rolleyes:

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it's workable, N.H. is 82 dec. at 50' at 1/2 throttle and then again at wide open. I managed to get through with an 81 average with 700sc's. I used gil manifolds with corsa transom mount's with imco gatlins after them.. good thing i have a swim platform. There was a 36 nortech cat with twin 850's he did pipes with major inserts that also worked .. good luck...

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I was thinking of coming the to the Shootout this year. Do they leave boats alone that weekend? I can pass the idle test, but not even close in a drive by. I would like to cruise the river.

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That's the one weekend they seem to leave us alone. Most of the summer is not bad just before memorial day and after labor day they don't have much to do .

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My guess is it is very unlikely they would screw with folks that weekend. They have not in the past.

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I think they got the one trouble maker they were looking for. :D

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yup... makes more sense to swing a lead pipe first, then see how badly he wants to write a ticket... if a few guys get busted knees, they might start thinking twice :mad:

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sounds like a job for the sbrt crew.... :D

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Now that is total bull****z. It just really gets to me that our own hard earned tax dollars are used to take away freedom. The freedom to boat and make alittle noise. Who in the hell are we hurting? The most mild form of white collar crime in history. Breaking some noise restriction---------on the water no less!!!!!

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wonder if anyone has ever fought it and won. maybe one person with the right expert testimony could give it a shot. i just dont understand what the big deal is. find a sailboat lake if you want peace and tranquility :rolleyes:

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This whole thing goes back to people who want there boat as loud as possible. When guys run dry headers with no mufflers at 100 plus decibles then EVERYONE gets bad attention :( . It happens with snowmobiles in alot of states too,some guy runs race pipes that are just pure obnoxious,cruise thru little towns on trails wakeing up everyone in middle of the night,next thing you know the DNR passes noise laws where your sled has to be bone stock to pass or worse,a visual test where even if you pass the noise test if there is any aftermarket exhaust present you are ticketed. No one other than a few crybabys cares about something that is slightly louder than stock,its the totally obnoxious stuff that catches attention then they set the decible limit unrealisticly low,Smitty

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I wonder if the molded swim platform helps reduce noise?

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platform makes it worse creats sound chamber, and by the way switchable exhaust is Illegal in Missouri, first thing they ask you now when they pull you over , if you have it and then to make sure it is open when you are checked, does anyone know someone with enough balls to fight them on this, 3600 cat is the only one I know who could come close, but he is busy being a mad scientist inventing the sound termination log, Brad you will be ok at the shootout but after its over head to the dock, Sobo and I got nailed after the shootout 2 years ago, we went to backwater jacks to eat and they pulled us over on the way home and said you could only run without mufflers to and from the event if you were entered.

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Geez, I hate the sound of that. Especially already this early in the year. I was anxious to pull the mufflers off the new Gun I bought so I could hear the sound of those ponies, now I guess I'll just leave them on. :(:(:(

And they're also talking like boat registration is going to triple to help pay for some more water mounties. Just what we need. :(:(

John

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That's like biting the hand that's feeding you. :rolleyes: F'n J/O's aint got nothin better to do? The damn cowards oughta try lookin for some terrorists on the water instead of botherin performance boaters that are feeding thier families.

Something to check into here. I know in Illinois, the way the law on exhaust reads, is that the exhaust can not be switchable "FROM THE HELM" So, if the exhaust switch at the helm in inoperative, and only acts as a dummy, the real switch could be mounted under under the back seat or somewhere else than the helm. Right? Then it's not switchable at the helm.
It's a technacality, but worth a try. See how the law reads from a DNR law book.

Hey Jim, (Wiggler) I think if I remember correctly, you won the loudest boat award at our Chicago Poker run last summer. :eek:

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There has been some slightly misleading information posted, or maybe I misunderstood, whatever...if you are interested in the law, go to http://www.moga.state.mo.us.statutes...3060000147.htm

It spells out the switchable issue, the standard for the test, etc. What I found very interesting is 306.147, para 2, Effective Jan 1996, a person shall not manufacture, sell , offer for sale, or operate in this state (Mo.), any motorboat manufactured after that date that exceeds the noise level of 90 dB(a) when subjected to.........test.

We should all be aware of exactly what the law says.

PS. On preview, the above URL does not look right. Try adding /C300-399/3060000147.htm right after the word statutes

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Do you think that 540's NA in a 35' Fountain will cause any attention? Not a flashy boat in comparison to many others, just didn't know how bad it has been this year. Planning on doing some testing with props in a couple of weeks.

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I will let you know how bad it really is this weekend, I am way over 90 db

Wild

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90 decibels is for the j-2005 stationairy test, 42" off trancom 3 ' above water level, exhaust have to be open, switchable is illegal and they will ask you to see it, the moving tests is within 50' not more than 86 decibels, I passed the stationary with the turn downs in the water , running not even close to 86,

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You need to understand whats feeding the Monster here. There are selfish (NIMBY) people living and playing on every body of good boating water that wnat it quiet, so their kids can hear them yelling at them. They are going to support politicians (not public servants as intended) who want to inact legislation that will give them and their hired hands (constituent enforcment) the power and jobs money who will then go around and hound the chit out of you until you roll over and say uncle. The secret here is to realize you are not going to change the control freaks , you've got to beat them at their own game over the long term. Noise does not make boats faster!! We are going to have to just have boats that can haul ass and not make more than 82 decibles under full power which is about what most recreation boats make at full throttle and believe me they are not going to legislate those boats off the water!
Its not hard to set up most boats with power up the kazoo that will run at speed at 82 decibles, it just takes a little ingenutiy. If you keep up the uproar, you will just give yourself attention for which they will come up with more restrictions and enforcement! Learn sometimes how to be more invisible!! Quit fighting the system (as created by those who have the power) and learn how to beat them at their own game.!! They are not real smart and believe me when I say most of them could not get a REAL JOBS!!

Ray @ Raylar

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Wiggler, The way I read it, switchable in not illegal. Para 4 of 306.147 says the boats cannot have a mechanical or electrical device that when switched makes the exhaust above 86 dB.

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Please educate me. I recently bought a stock 502 415HP. 27' fountain with silent choice. This is illegal at LOTO because of switchable exhaust? Would this boat's sound output be safe with the silent choice off, or am I safe?

Steve

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Bingo.
Add to that the people who go to waterfront bars / restaurants and rev the engines for 20 minutes after they dock, then do it again before they leave. Then add people who have switchable exhaust (legal or not) but never use it.
We all know there are plenty of guys out there who want to attract attention to their boat....the sound certainly does that. What they don't get is that for every one person who is impressed, there are a dozen who are just annoyed by it. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound, but I'm not stupid enough to think that everone else does.

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If you have swichable the loud one of the two has to pass. :D

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Do you know if my boat would pass in the "loud" version? I have no idea what the stock DB level is.

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Not sure of your level but they won't bother you. If you see one just hit the switch. :D I was told by a water patrol if they see a rooster tail they have to pull them over just to check the db. :mad: Two sets of mufflers and still 94.5db. It's hard to make 2200hp quiet. :evilb:

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Its going to be real difficult for any boat with 500hp+ without mufflers to pass the running test. I got stopped a few years back with the running test. I was cruising along at around 4000rpms. No mufflers at the time on a single 525SC. He had measured me at 89db going past him. I ended up with a warning.

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did you happen to mention your profession BEFORE you got that warning :p

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Ok folks, where were you when they enforced the noise laws please... Thanks.

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made it another weekend without a ticket, but saw another 38 cig get one on sat evening for running 96db at idle. $98, no wonder they are getting strict, they can make a fortune at that price.

Going to be a fun summer

Wild

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I've heard this same chit? What are the manufactures going to do if they sell you a boat with silent choice and it's not legal? I know the amount of testing and calibration required on their devices will probably be the one saving grace for you. Go to court and ask to see their report showing the calibration test and their report regarding ambient sound. They most likely won't have it.

Suggestion: Team up with the local law enforcement on related issues and fund raisers...this is what we've done and it works. We work together to make the lake better. Rather than just a hard ass with a badge passing out tickets. What the heck... hold a radar shootout, use the patrol to judge speed and sell tickets, proceeds to the lake patrol. Remember's it's politics.

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Wiggler: Can I ask what kind of turn-downs you are using and has anything "special" been done to them?

I'm trying to find out what people's experiences are with them.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=128029

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blue by you, you're a wise man - that's an important strategy to pursue

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Very funny :D :D Your Ateco engines in my boat are the loudest most have ever heard. http://www.atecoengines.com/Default....y&View=Engines
I guess big tube headers and 5" dry tailpipes do not help either. I am going with the down turns to help keep the noise down. At the shootout I may have to just float around with gas prices so high. I could just tie up at the docks and tell everyone I was out earlier in the day. :p

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They gave me a ticket the weekend of the shootout two years ago. It was 1:00 pm going towards Back water Jacks for lunch with my wife and two kids in the boat.

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Could you imagine if we drag our rigs all the way there and get tickets? or worse pulled off the lake? These good ol' folks down here have no clue whatsoever...... How deep is LOTO? :fish: :fish: