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Just found out from Gaffrig that all of my gauges in my 99 Top Gun are FAKES! Cheap knock offs. How would a company like Cigarette let this happen and why wouldn't Cigarette recall all of these? Is it just me or is this a scam?

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They may have been Ghaffrig in 99 wich is now Livorsi
If that is the case you didn't get robbed. I don't think Ghaffrig and Livorsi are friendly :eek:

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Are they original from Cig factory?? Or have they been replaced? :confused: :confused: Find it very hard to believe :(

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That's what I'm thinking.

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save yourself a ton of $$ and just go to summit or jegs and buy AUTOMETERS...they make all the guages including Gaffrig and Livorsi

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Factory... and I was told they were knock off's. Gafrigg said they had sued the company that was mis representing their name...

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If you look at the 1st pic you'll see how some of the glass is "frosting over" It looks like crystal. It's crappy looking but I really didn't want to spend thousand$ of $$$ to replace a couple gauges... Is Mike Livorsi on this board? Maybe he can assist?

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That's BS!! Those gauges are identical to the gauges in my boat. Gaffrig and Livorsi went through a nasty lawsuit. Mike Livorsi had rights to the Gaffrig name and they didn't like it! :rolleyes: Let me guess, Gaffrig told you this info???

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Yep, EXACTLY! Gaffrig said for me to send them a list of the gauges I have and they would sell me new ones and a 'good price". He said he gets calls every day with problem gauges like mine. Nothing he can do about it. I also emailed Mike Livorsi to see if he would chime in... I just wanted them fixed. I guess maybe Mike Livorsi is the one I should be speaking with?

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I would not hesitate to call Mike directly. He is very approachable and great to work with. If you want the Cigarette logo, he can give you exactly what codes to order ***from Cigarette*** because you can't buy them anywhere else.

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I don't think he posts on the board but I'll tell you right now...Get the platnum monster series "Cigarette" series gauges from Livorsi. They just replaced all in my boat and I'm VERY happy with them! Great quality and prices! ;)

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The amount of wrong information tossed around concerning Gaffrig/ Livorsi could fill a small volume of encyclopedias. :rolleyes: :D

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This is what I'm talkin' about right here!!

check the site out....

http://www.livorsi.com/dash_gallery_...e_gallery.htm#

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[QUOTE=thisistank]This is what I'm talkin' about right here!!

check the site out....

http://www.livorsi.com/dash_gallery_...e_gallery.htm#[/QUOTE

Already checked that out and I'm way ahead of you.

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Tank; Any pics of your work?

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Ouch! Hope it gets resolved in your favor. :eek:

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I second what Tank said about the Monster Gauges....

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Its in powerboat magazine march and april i believe. They did gauges and steering wheel updates. :cool:

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Fred at Trick hit it right on the head. Those gauges in that picture are from Livorsi. Livorsi has been doing gauges for Cigerette for over 16 years. The gauges in that picture have been in contact with a harsh detergent or cleaner. When they come in contact with harsh cleaners the lenses look like they are frosted. Send them Back to Livorsi and they will make them look brand new for about 10 bucks a gauge. They will turn them around in about 1 or2 days. Call 847-548-5900 ext 209 and ask for Todd. Who ever told you that they are knockoffs is full of it.

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Didn't expect to still be getting fallout by now, huh Mike :D

If we send in a gauge for lense issues will it still say "Gaffrig" when it comes back?? Although I would love to have the "proper" name on my gauges, I don't want to re-do all of them :p

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Ted.....I don't pretend to speak for Livorsi, but it's my understanding if you send a Livorsi built "Gaffrig" gauge in for repair, it will be returned with the same gauge face. In that case it would still say Gaffrig.

A complete replacement gauge would either have the Livorsi logo or you could request "no logo."

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This fallout is nothing. Thanks for you support. Give me a call in the morning.

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allow me to clear thing up, here is the whole story


There is currently a lot of controversy about Gaffrig's expostulations, and I know that any letter on the subject will almost certainly cause someone to bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives. Still, Gaffrig seems to have no trouble sweet-talking misguided, amoral ratbags into helping it make human life negligible and cheap. It is requisite, even in this summary sketch, to go back a few years to see how it claims that its endeavors are Right with a capital R. Well, I beg to differ. Gaffrig should shift for itself. Although others may disagree with that claim, few would dispute that if Gaffrig continues to intensify race hatred, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. It is certainly the height of ironies that the objection may still be raised that the only way to expand one's mind is with drugs -- or maybe even chocolate. At first glance, this sounds almost believable. Yet the following must be borne in mind: If I were a complete sap, I'd believe Gaffrig's line that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. Unfortunately for it, I realize that Gaffrig is capable of only two things, namely whining and underhanded tricks.

Some poxy hypochondriacs are actually considering helping Gaffrig make us dependent on shambolic, scornful twerps for political representation, economic support, social position, and psychological approval. How quickly such people forget that they were lied to, made fun of, and ridiculed by Gaffrig on numerous occasions. Someone has to be willing to lead Gaffrig out of a dream world and back to hard reality. Even if it's not polite to do so. Even if it hurts a lot of people's feelings. Even if everyone else is pretending that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. How dare Gaffrig pose a threat to the survival of democracy? We must hold not only Gaffrig, but also Gaffrig's drones, accountable for their ethically bankrupt ideologies. Okay, that's a bit of an overstatement, but for all of you reading this who are not balmy, amateurish headlong-types, you can understand where the motivation for that statement comes from.

Gaffrig labels anyone it doesn't like as "mischievous". That might well be a better description of it. If you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, this is what Gaffrig's cronies try to prevent us from hearing about on radio and television or reading about in popular magazines and large-circulation papers. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, Gaffrig's claim that all major world powers are controlled by a covert group of "insiders" is not only an attack on the concept of objectivity, but an assault on the human mind. As I've said before, Gaffrig is entirely versipellous. When it's among plebeians, Gaffrig warms the cockles of their hearts by remonstrating against antidisestablishmentarianism. But when Gaffrig's safely surrounded by its thralls, it instructs them to compose paeans to phallocentrism. That type of cunning two-sidedness tells us that Gaffrig sees itself as a postmodern equivalent of Marx's proletariat, revolutionizing the world by wresting it from its oppressors (viz., those who anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of moral good). Gaffrig's eccentricity is surpassed only by its vanity. And its vanity is surpassed only by its empty theorizing. (Remember its theory that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding?)

Now, lest you jump to the conclusion that Gaffrig's calumnies prevent smallpox, I assure you that I don't see how it can build a workable policy around wishful thinking draped over a morass of confusion (and also, as we'll see below, historical illiteracy), then impose it willy-nilly on a population by force. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be done but rather that Marxism has served as the justification for the butchering, torture, and enslavement of more people than any other "ism". That's why it's Gaffrig's favorite; it makes it easy for it to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor, and our belongings. In other words, Gaffrig's untoward attempt to construct a creative response to my previous letter was absolutely pitiful. Really, Gaffrig, stringing together a bunch of solecistic insults and seemingly random babble is hardly effective. It simply proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hour is late indeed. Fortunately, it's not yet too late to detail the specific steps and objectives needed to thwart its brassbound little schemes. My cause is to embrace diversity. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that we are a nation of prostitutes. By this I mean that as long as we are fat, warm, and dry we don't care what Gaffrig does. It is precisely that lack of caring that explains why conversations with Gaffrig are no more intellectual than a game of darts at the local pub. To cap that off, you shouldn't let Gaffrig intimidate you. You shouldn't let it push you around. We're the ones who are right, not Gaffrig.

As I see it, Gaffrig has been offering careless, postmodernist bottom-feeders (also known as Gaffrig's peons) a lot of money to tell us how to live, what to say, what to think, what to know, and -- most importantly -- what not to know. This is blood money, plain and simple. Anyone thinking of accepting it should realize that Gaffrig's gofers don't represent an ideology. They don't represent a legitimate political group of people. They're just flat callous. I have given this issue a great deal of thought, and I now have a strong conviction that Gaffrig will probably throw another hissy fit if we don't let it kill the messenger and control the message. At least putting up with another Gaffrig hissy fit is easier than convincing Gaffrig's trucklers that it is my job -- and your job, too -- to throw down the gauntlet and challenge Gaffrig's stooges to build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance. Gaffrig vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would, because if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that I enjoy the great diversity of humankind, in our food, our dress, our music, our literature, and our forms of spiritual expression. What I don't enjoy are Gaffrig's incoherent screeds which eliminate those law-enforcement officers who constitute the vital protective bulwark in the fragile balance between anarchy and tyranny. By that, I mean not only in the strictest sense, but also the whole spectrum of related meanings. The only weapons Gaffrig has in its intellectual arsenal are book burning, brainwashing, and intimidation. That's all it has, and it knows it. A final word: Gaffrig is a big fan of vigilante justice.

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These are just a couple I snapped while they were doing the install at Teagues. But Scooter is right, the article is in the March issue of Powerboat.

By the way, I didn't get the monster series. I got the race series.

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hugetime, I see you're a fan of SP's complaint letter generator. Good one!

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Weither your a fan of Gaffrig or not, after seeing them both in person the Gaffrig Platinuim series is a much more quality looking gauge... They have a nice brushed metal look compared to just painted silver. :cool:

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Just step up to the plate any buy some Faria guages Jim! :D :D

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If it's true that Gaffrig said they were "cheap knock-offs" knowing they were Livorsi guages then that is just slimy. I would have a hard time ever giving Gaffrig any of my money!

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Actually, I have had Faria Gauages in two of my boats and never had a problem with a single gauage!

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Livorsi guages are the real deal. They've been making the gaffrigs for an awful long time. Get it straight from the source here:


http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=68072

If Gaffrig said your guages are cheap knock-offs, they should be ashamed. That's just piss poor.

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I had a girlfriend that was a cheap knock-off once.

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Her name wasn't Terri Buzzelli by any chance was it????? :eek:

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What about gauges that say Gaffrig II?
Dean

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DEAN,

Those would be the same as the Livorsi II.

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Trick,
Thanks for the info. Hope you had a good Easter. We are going make a trip up to Bluffton S.C. sometime this summer, maybe you and the REAL BOSS, (IE Wife) can break away from the office and come on down and do some boating with us.
Thanks again,
Dean

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Jim,

First off congrats on the new Cig. Very nice boat. I know you are very happy to have a boat again.

As for Gaffrig, this is old news and has been beat to death for two years now on line and in the courts. It simply came down to who gets to use the name.

You do "NOT" have fake guages. Personally I like Livorsi a LOT better and have not had any problems with the "Gaffrig" gauges by Livorsi that I have had in several boats.

They are giving good customer service while the now Graffrig company is blowing hot air.

Send them to Mike if you need repair and enjoy the boat.

Hope to see you soon.

Doc

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To avoid the long winded and tired discussion of the Livorsi vs. Gaffrig debate, how about we do this. You can call Mike directly @ (847) 548-5900 x 203, or, return your gauges that are in need of service and we will take care of them, for thousands less than you are thinking :D . We are solid in customer service, and this is what you needing right now. It's our business, and business is good! As for keeping the name on your existing gauges, that is no problem either. We can work around that and bring them back to new again! (Although we do like the look of the Livorsi logo, it is ultimately your discretion as to what you want the appearance to be). And that is why we are who we are, we go the extra miles to do what YOU want!

Ward
Livorsi Marine

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There ya go ... straight shootin' from the horses mouth ... :evilb: Now get 'er done :)

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I deal with a number of marine parts manufacturers daily. Without hesitation, I can say that Livorsi is as good as it gets.

Mike, Ed, Fred, Todd and the rest of the crew just plain make things happen.

Well, maybe not Ed....... :eek: :D :drink:

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I had a similar problem on my fountain. I had sprayed a cleaning chemical called "Super Clean" to get some grime off of my dash, of course it's not supposed to hurt anything but it did haze my gauges bad. I sent them back to Livorsi and he repaired all of them it seemed pretty reasonable. As for the Gaffric B.S. deal I did the checking here. Livorsi made "gaffrig" gauges years before the supposed now real Gaffrig did. Livorsi actually assembles there gauges in house while the supposed real Gaffrig imports his with your local chinese restraunts fortune cookies. Did you notice the real gaffrig couldn't even help you fix the gauges but Livorsi could? I find it hard to believe that if Livorsi gauges weren't the best why are they in every kick ass power boat out thereFountain, MTI, NOR-TEC, Cigarette, Etc. Tell me the last new boat you saw with a Gaffrig Gauge in it.