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Yes, "they" are really getting after "it" from what I can tell ... :D

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Hopefully ..... It won't be so "quietly" anymore !?!? :cool:

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Should be fun to watch. :drink:

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I can only "guess" twhat you guys are talking about. For the rest of us (that have to guess) why don't you just come out and say what you are talking about...or give us some more info

Thanks

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Mr. V you crack me up!!

So I guess boats like Predator, Fire Water, Island Runner and so on win races because all the Velocity's weren't racing that day.... :eek: Yeah, they're all just old lumpy resin buckets. :rolleyes:

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Just be patient!

:cool: :evilb: :D :evilb: :drink: :evilb:

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For the record, only the original foam plug was chain sawed up, the 41 mold is the 41 mold. The steps that Koss designed with Linder, That was something that was added if you wanted. Cool design too how the steps and the strakes were setup, no one had ever tried that before but I do believe Koss has used that design since that hull.
Jason

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ditto :cool:


That's great Semp :evilb:

U.S. MARINES....."When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed overnite"

Re: 41' Apache molds for sale
 

The 41 mold is what's in the pictures. No steps added, obviously. The 'running plug' that was under the deck in the pictures was destroyed. It had fuel cells in it which were removed and are part of the deal.

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The steps are a big bottom plate that fit in the bottom of the mold. So you could order a straight bottom or a stepped bottom. Just so you realize the boat parts that are there are NOT from that mold, That hull mold never had glass in it ever. The divinyicell foam blocked plug was chain sawed up right after the hull mold was completed and finished being welded together. Sad day that was. The boat deck that is hanging there is the T4 custom one off. That was the boat that does NOT have an MSO and they wanted 50G's for it and without an MSO that says apache its not worth that unfortunately.

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Correct. The mold has not been used. The hull that was sitting there is what I said is sawdust. It was part of the deal to have it destroyed.

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I personally cant wait to see what "he" and "them" are doing...and a few of you know the reason "why"...:D

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Your kidding, They would NOT take my offer so they cut it up? Man these guys are real bright.
So did Active Thunder buy this mold? Your talking about it as you have purchased it already. If so Kudo's to you!
J

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It was part of a legal settlement. They had no choice but to chop it up.

I've had my finger on this for quite a while and have negotiated as far as I was willing to go based on what the stuff is. At this point it's not worth purchasing for me.

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So the question is the "step plate" included with the 200k or not?

Is the step plate what makes this a T4?

Wannabe

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Unless the broker doesn't know what is there, the answer is no.

However, unless it's a DDC, we wouldn't even consider using it.

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The T4 was the custom one off model we made from the original mold. AT is saying that was destroyed even though a few months ago they were trying to sell it and I made a bold offer on it.
Whats DDC?

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Check it out, it's a patened hull designed by Harry Schoell.

http://activethunderboats.com/avh_technology.htm

Check it out, that was my boat in 03, great ride. :cool:

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:evilb:

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Why cause of Wilson's involvement in the project?

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Jerrry, looking good, any transom shot, I will be seeing that end alot anyway. Steve

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Duo Delta Conic hull I believe. He had been designing that type of hull for quite a while.

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Id think that mold is worth a good chunk of change being from a CNC plug and all , must be super straight ?..maybe not 200K but.
I dont feel not having the Apache MSO is such a detriment.. Look at Saber

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I was under the impression that Koss designed the steps and the strakes configuration on the apache hulls not anyone else. The person that did the design for us was a guy named George Linder for the warpath deck for that mold.
Joe, what does Duo Delta Conic mean? Twin pads? The boat we built and the mold we made did not have a padded bottom.
Where is Koss, he can tell you what he came up with as far as the steps, lifting strakes and the configuration of it. Boat was a triple step 2 active and one passive step not vented to the outside (last step was non vented)
If Koss is reading this, is the Hush non disclosure statement null and void since the company is now defunct? Are we allowed to talk about the bottom design? (why im hesitant on discussing this too much at length, dont want to get sued here)

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Here ya go buddy .... Gettin close to bein ready for another lunch run ... Better call Pete !?!?! :drink:

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Harry Schoell designed the DDC hull. I forget what fish boat used to have them. I know I almost bought one of them several years ago.

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Go to this site, and click on Hull Design.
http://www.schoellmarine.com/index.htm

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Didn't he design a hull for Larson as well. They named it "Duo Delta Conic"?

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learn something new everyday, I never heard of these designs / concepts before. Pretty interesting.

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OK, I am just DIEING to know how fast the new Saber is running with the 1075's, and how fast the old one ran with the stirlings.

Thanks

RT

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nice Jerry:evilb: :drink:

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Yep, that was it. It was a Larson.

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Harry Schoell designed the original Donzi's for DA. I think he did the Formulas too

Then again George Lindner is no slouch either, designed the 21 Challenger back in the 70s and the 30' Image Shadowcat in the early 80s, the first of the really fast cats.

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ME TOO !!!! :D :cool:

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Challanger Boats in St. Louis used the Scheoll DDC hull too.

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Yes, my Dad has one.

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Also designed the Chris Cat and the Jesse James Cat that I believe was a US if not World Champ. He has forgotten more about hull design then any 5 of us know.

Wannabe