Cigarette 36' Competition
 

Some of you have pictures in colour of the following Cig.36' of early '70's?

Dante's Inferno 89
Dante's Inferno 98
Boss O'Nova III
Sabre Dance
Starduster

Many Thanks!

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Black Tornado:

Welcome to OSO - Here's a few. I've always been a big fan of the 36' too. BAM Marine has Bob Magoon's old KAM rnamed BAM. You can see pics on their website.

Also check out www.historicraceboats.com

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Many Thanks and sorry for my bad education!
I friendly greetings to alls!

I'm a old fans of the Cig.36' and especially of the Black Tornado of my fellow countryman Vincenzo Balestrieri.
I collect offshore pictures and data from 1973 but I never see in colour the boats in the list above.
I ask to Crouse. He promise me to find they but I spend one year for nothing....
I hope to find some good guys that can help me.

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Marco:

Glad to help out. Join that historic race boat site and use the contact form to ask about more 36' Cig. color pictures. Crouse donated boxes of pictures to the website...

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Marco
Look at our historic raceboat site, HORBA...membership is free for viewing old photos.
http://www.historicraceboats.com,

Or, look at the site of Vincenzo Balestrieri's son, for all kinds of info on Black Tornado and the other Tornado boats his dad ran. Go to the links section of the HORBA site and you can link over to his site.

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Marco, WELCOME to this website Offshore Only! Tell us more about yourself, your collection and your boat.

take care, Mike :D

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Many thanks!
I know very well your HORBA and I'm subscribe in it some days ago!
I'm very happy to found it. But I have sent some e-mail to HORBA but without answer.

I know very well the Tornado web site of the Balestrieri's son Alex. A lot of the pictures in that site came from my archive.
Alex have a lot of others my pictures still unpublish.

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Ok Mike

I'm 46 old,born in Viareggio,Italy. In 1972 I saw the first my Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio the third oldest Offshore race of all time,after Miami-Nassau and Cowes-Torquay-Cowes.
That year won Vincenzo Balestrieri with the little old Cig.32' Black Tornado and I became a fan of him.
I saw alls V-B-V editions from 1972 to the last in 1996. I saw the 1979 World Championships in Venice where won Betty Cook and next days I will post my pictures of that race.
I have thousands of pictures of mine or take from the net,original magazines and books,and advance-programs magazines of some races.
Now I live in the Lithuania's capital Vilnius where I sell optical and sun glasses. A country without offshore or motorboating traditions,but I continue in my interest.
I'm not a boat owner(sic!) but when in my youth I worked in a italian offshore team I have drove a original Cigarette 36' Competition,the former Lady Nara,winnner of the famous CTC in 1971 with rough seas and one of the firsts 36' that came out from the Aronow's yards.
I'm proud to have met Mr. Don Aronow ,The Genious,and I take care him signature in my offshore celebrity guest book.
I met Pepe Nunez,Tom Gentry,Ted Toleman,Michael Doxford,Joel Halpern,errol Lanier,Dave Wilson ecc.
I'm preparing a book of the history of alls Bertrams 38' competition and in I'm working in the history of alls Cigarette 36' Competition built.
Im very interested to the US Offshore powerboats that have raced specially in the '70's.
I'm very happy to meet this forum. Unbelieveble!
Sorry for my bad English,but i think that we will talk about offshore old time era a lot.
That's I hope! :cool:

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Marco

I have just returned from a 2 week trip to Alaska, so I am sorry to you and any others if you have had no response to e-mails to HORBA, I am trying to catch up now.

Also we have another 3 boxes of photos from John Crouse to sort through.

We have so much material, that we are making special categories. We will have a section just for the old world champions, Aronow, Wishnick, Bertram....etc.etc.

I have seen the color photo of Bill Wishnick's 36 Cigarette that you refer to and should be able to locate it soon. Please be patient and all of this material will be sorted and posted.

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You're Charlie McCarthy?!
It's a honour for me!
I still remember exactly when I read in a motorboating italian magazine the news of the first(and alone sic!) victory of the Top Banana!

I was in contact with Mr. Crouse that I meet in Viareggio's World Championships in 1984. But recently I don't have him message in my mail.
Now you tell me that have the Crouse's archive with the Tibedau or Maugeri collections. Well done! I'm waiting for!

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Finally I see the Tamarind Seed!
A question: it was the former? I'm thinking to Slap Shot,or the second Dante's Inferno(one of those was the Kaama in 1976-77). Or maybe a new boat?

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is this one

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I think that's a 39.

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let us know when that book is done and you will have a lot of people intrested in it....but i have first gigs for it

jr mike

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Black Tornado, This is Pepe Nunez / Pantera boats. One of my favorite trophys is the one from Viaregio Bastia Viareggio it is beautifull Silver, It brings me back such wonderfull memories of what OFFSHORE used to be!
Best regards,
Pepe Nunez @ Pantera

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Marco, lots of cool people on this forum huh? Do not worry about your English, it is just fine! I can't speak your language so you are doing better than me! Heck you speak better than a lot of people here in the USA! :D :drink:
take care, Mike

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Now this thread is what Offshoreonly is all about!

Marco, let us know when the book is out. You should do well with sales on this site alone!

Any plans to extend the racing history and go into a little broader Cigarette racing history? Maybe go all the way to the current times? Good luck with your endeavor, can't wait to see the end result.

Tank

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That is a 39 that Nordskog won some records with. I believe it was an endurance boat.

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Thank you Marco....it is an honour for us here on OSO to meet with someone who loves our sport so much.

Charlie McCarthy

Here are some more shots of the famous 36 Cigarette. The two boat shot is showing Tom Gentry, number 99, winning his first race against Bill Wishnick.

The single boat is Bill Wishnick in his 36 Cigarette. I will find some shots of Lady Nara that we have too.

Happy to hear of your book, we have been tossing around ideas for a photo type coffee table book with a few comments with each photo like our HORBA website.

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Hi' Pepe!
These are the only pictures that I have of that event in 1980.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9352/vbv804jf.jpg
Fourth overall and 2nd in Class 2.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9202/vbv80a8hi.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3593/vbv811pk.jpg
The 1980,s Class 1 Italian Champion,Doc. Tommaso De Simone,drove the former Nunez's Pantera in VBV of 1981,shortened Viareggio-Gorgona's Island-Viareggio because of rough seas.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1121/pantera8lr.jpg
I'm not sure that this Pantera was sent in Italy. I never seen,but a magazine wrote it was imported by Sailmotorboating of Milan.

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Very beautiful the second picture of Boss O'Nova III.
The first pictures I knew so well because it was published in Searace.
A precisation to first picture: that is Boss O'Nova II and was a Cigarette(not a Cary) 32' that Wishnick used in some races in USA and in the European tour in 1971. The 36' Boss O'Nova III was used in other races in USA.

The book of Bertram 38' that I prepare is just a pictures-datas one,that I will offer free in a file on cd to who will be interest to have.
I will be happy to give you it so.

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The Lady Nara(s) was two Cigarette 36'.
The first was one of the first 36'( the third or fourth 36'built)in 1971.
It went to the legend when triumphed in the famous CTC of 1971 in very rough seas.
The crew was A.Petroni(steering)-F.Statua(throttle)-R.Bonelli
(owner-navigator).
In 1972 the young Bonelli bought a second 36' that named Lady Nara again.
With it he won the European and Italian Championships.
At the end of the season Bonelli sold the two Lady Naras.
The first to Count Gilberti that renamed it Lady Mate.
The second to Giulio De Angelis that renamed it Eraf like the him first 36'. One was in pale blue,and the former Lady Nara remain in red-white colours.
In 1974 Gilberti lease him 36' to Blasetti that renamed it Talvez,then in 1976 the boat returned tio Gilberti like "F.Eight".
The boat raced until 1977.
Now is to sell in Sardinia.
The second Lady Nara was disarmed in 1975 and become a fast cruiser with a wodden deck,porthole and berth,but manteining the original colours in the hull and the name Eraf.
It went lost in 1980 off the Viareggio coast after burning.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6762/ctc719zk.jpg
Cowes-Torquay-Cowes 1971

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5763/735uz.jpg
1973 Italian season

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/33/vbv744gb.jpg
1974 Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6850/vbv776ep.jpg
1976-1977 Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio

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Great thread!.........

The 36 Cigarette (competition) and 27 Magnum (Sport) are my favorite offshore boats of all time.

The 36 is a masterpiece!

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36 Cig

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Black Tornado, you sure know the history well over there!

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Lucky Strike Jr.
I never see that boat !
Do you know something of this "Baccarat"?
Driver-owner?year?
Do you have others of this?
I think this was the former one of the two Balestrieri's Black Tornadoes,Cig.36'.With them race in 1972-1973,then in 1974 Balestrieri sold one of this and continued to race with the other, only in Italy, in 1974-75.
The Black Tornado was the first 36' ever built. The second was Bob Magoon's Aeromarine I.

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Hi Black Tornado:
Did you ever see the book DON ARONOW: King of Thunderboat Row;
That book has great pictures of many of Don's 36s from the 70s plus some great stories about V. Balestrieri and F. Cosentino.

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Hi Pjriz!
No I haven't. I was in contact with Michael Aronow for a copy but after he promise me to find one he failed.
I have saw in Amazon a rare copy with a big price.
Michael just tinking to reprint a series of copy.
I would like to buy a copy about Karl Kiekhaefer too.

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As Marco asked earlier - anybody know more about this boat?? I have never seen it either!!

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I don't know anything about that boat, but it is probably an old Black Tornado renamed.

This photo is of Bill McDonald's "Wild Willie" which is an old Boss A Nova, 36 Foot Cigarette. You and Marco probably have not seen this one either over there.

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Very grateful Charlie - you are right I have never seen any photo´s before of this boat in this livery. (I have to say that it is very reminiscent of the Magoon KAM in those colours!). Thanks for posting.

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Any of these 36s for sale?
I've only seen one 36 race for sale and can't find it now.
There are a bunch of 36 pleasures for sale, how did they run? comparison to the race boats?

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I don't know of any for sale at the moment.

They had a top speed in the low 80's and then they started to chine walk. When the 35 came along, the speeds jumped right up to the high 80's and low 90's.

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"I'm not sure that this Pantera was sent in Italy. I never seen,but a magazine wrote it was imported by Sailmotorboating of Milan."

The BlackSunday PANTERA is in Puerto Rico now. It was for sale last year in it's original paint.. someone bought it and painted over it . :(

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The chine walk part was true the way the boats were set up back then. (I have what was the original KAM 1) Even worse, the skegs wer cut off the drives. It had a nasty habit of changing direction whenever it wanted. When I tested it at Lake X in 1980 it ran right at 80 with 2) 620 HP. I later found out this was as fast as any of them went back then.

I raced the boat in the late 80's with 2 x 850HP, and had the handling pretty much figured out. Ran low-mid 90's then.

Kept playing with with drive height, boxes, extensions for the boxes, ran 3's then 4's and after the blower motors 5's

Then put 2 x 1000 HP, a whole new ball game. After a near death experience chine walking in the Chicago River i raised the drives some more and added a 80 gal ballast tank. It was like getting a new boat, got rid of the chine walking and really improved the handling at least up to the 106 the boat ran before I pulled it apart.

I miss the boat, still have it but looks like I might have to wait till I retire to put it back together :)

http://go-fast.com/bam,_the_project.htm

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I knew the existence of the Bill MacDonald's "Wild Willie's-Boss O'Nova" but I never saw pictures.
It was'nt the 36' "Boss O'Nova III" but the former 32' "Boss O Nova II" that Wishnick used in Europe to win the World Title.
It was a prototype of 32'. A real Cigarette not a Cary. Aronow built it with the same deck design of the 36'. The first two 36' (Black Tornado and Aeromarine I)was ready in the fall of 1970 in the same time that was ready this 32' sole model.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1961/vbv713vj.jpg
Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio 1971. Cigarette 32' "Boss O Nova II" and in the background one of three Black Tornados. This "Black Tornado" was a former 32' cutted to 31' with a deck in wood. In this race with rough seas the deck started to break down and Balestrieri abandoned the idea and send it back in USA for sell.
It appear some year after in the hands of the rookie Hal Sahlman to set a speed record in 1974 with the name "The Little Cigarette".
Instead "Boss O'Nova II" won the race in Viareggio.

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In Italy there is the former "Lady Nara" of 1971,one of the first 36' ever built.
It is in perfect condition without alteration and powered by two Aifo turbodiesel engines(sic!).

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3963/ctc717zm.jpg

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[QUOTE=Black Tornado]In Italy there is the former "Lady Nara" of 1971,one of the first 36' ever built.
It is in perfect condition without alteration and powered by two Aifo turbodiesel engines(sic!).

Is there an ad you can post a link of?
And from what i've read, per Charlie McCarthy, the 35ft cig was the best running/riding hull Don ever built. How do the 2 of these boats compare?

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Come on, that boat is one of the all-time great boats for history of this sport. You can't let it just sit there.

Maybe you could just pull it down to Key West in November for an on land display for HORBA. That might be enough to get your juices flowing again.

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[QUOTE=Stormrider]The Cig 35' was faster,but in rough seas the "old" 36' was still better.
I remember in 1977's Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio with rough seas,as such as rough that the course of the race was shortened. Two was the race contendings: Giulio De Angelis,the best italian driver of the middle of '70's, in the former Balestrieri's "Black Tornado",the first Cigarette 36' ever built and Michael Doxfor,the best englishman of the same period,in the "Limit Up" one of the most famous Cigarette 35'.
Well,the 36' was in front of the 35' the whole race,even though not much,untill Doxford hoisted the white flag because him 35' have had a fissure in the left flank at the height of the cockpit.
I think that the 36' was unbeatable in rough seas and was the best of ever times. In those conditions only the Shead design CUV 38' can contended this leadership.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6...shed7ce.th.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5...ash23tq.th.jpg
Two bad images(are photocopy) of the damaged Limit Up after the VBV in 1977. We can see however the fissure.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2...di760wm.th.png
The "Powerboat Magazine Special" of Bob Nordskog,the first 35' ever built,have had the same problem one year before in Bacardi Trophy.