The boat is still for sale It is one incredible boat in rough water and the owner would like to see it sold since he spends most of his time overseas these days If anyone is interested shoot me a note

As far as anyone having another one built let me tell you this much
The desire to have one for yourself should be great as the boat is pretty damn amazing

But if there is any attachment to the original owners of the company LOOK OUT as it could be be a nigtmare Of Trick Marine Proportions

It is not the boat that is, or was, ever at issue It was the owners of the company

The first Mohican is not attached in anyway to the owners of Chief Powerboats it is owned by an individual who would like to free up his assets and get the boat sold

Any questions or inquiries please contact me

Marc

I guess that's why that phone isn't ringing. It's as simple as that.

My big question is, if Outerlimits, Norteck, Active Thunder, Cigarette and many others are selling boats, whats wrong at Cheif? Should have 6 boats out by now!!!!

It is simple

No money

They tried to build a boat company on prospects deposit money and then did not want to build the boats

I know this all to well, as I was the one who sold the only two boats ever built. I took the deposit money and then played hell getting the customer their boats

Two were built, One 42 and one 37.
The 37 was built as a joint venture with Active Thunder (Another incredible boat) but as the Chief Managment practices shone through Pat at Active backed away and went back to his own thing (current happenings at Active prove that Pat is doing it all correctly and builds a phenomenal boat )

THe 37 Chief was stripped down by Active Thunder, refitted with proper badging and rebadged as an Active Thunder then sold by its owner

It is way to bad that the 42 Chief is not being built but its time has passedTo be built and marketed as a new boat .The 42 Chief is nothing short of amazing when it comes to handling in the rough water

I have run this boat with the owner in a couple of poker runs that has snotty water (SOTW 2006 and Chicago Poker Run 2007) The dual hem set up makes it alot of fun when it gets rough. It was like riding on a galloping horse. You felt the waves under you but it was an enjoyable rhythm with no harsh landings

The owners of Chief Powerboat are just another in a long line of unethical individuals that have left a scar on the performance boat industry.

The time for building new "Old School" boats has past. The demise or almost demise of those that have tried or continue to try is proving the interest is not there

If you want a good "old school" boat buy a used Apache or Chief or even straight bottom Cig
But in this day and age the technology for new boats does not fit into building practices of old style boats

We should let the new progress, and we should embrace the past by loving, preserving, and refitting the legends. Not try to recreating them

(Chief is Dead!!! Saber Is dead!!!! and Apache is Alive but only filling the very small need left in the market)

If you want old school there are still plenty out there

One Chief , a hand full of Apaches, some cool sabers, and a bunch of older Cigs

But we cant go back and fit into the pants we did when we were 18 (at least most cant) so why keep trying

The first Mohican is most likely the last Mohican and will be a great piece of history for anyone to own Its built , It Runs incredible, and looks great but it is going to remain a unique boat

The good news it has Chief engines in it (Not related to Chief Powerboats) and Tommy will be around for a long time and is their to continue to maintain the power in this boat

Merry Christmas to all and someone should buy this boat and put it under the Christmas Palm tree :)

The all knowing king of offshore boating speakes again! :rolleyes:

Now is the Chief old school new or new school old. If the Chief has a step then isn't it new school? :Whatever:

Can't you just shut your pie hole and stop commenting on things you don't know anything about, ie Saber? You don't know one single thing about Saber over the last 6 months, Nothing!

Just sell the Chief you conned Mike into buying and make your plagues. Stop trying to harm others who have done or said absolutely nothing to you or about you. Insulting and delibertly hurting and disperaging others will not get you your so badly needed revenge on Mike Vorce. There are a lot of families and individuals involved who would appreciate you fading into the storm clouds of your own twisted mind. GO AWAY :violent-smiley-045: NK

The 42' Chief may be a great looking, running boat-but who's going to want a "one off" boat that the company isn't in business anymore (at least actively making boats) and what's the re-sale value going to be?

Not trying to reign on your parade, just making a logical point.

Look at PP, same diffrence in many instances, just 7 more hulls that were produced on the 38 PP. That was a great boat. To bad Danny was-well never mind.

wow....

where did that bad azz sliver 1 go???

True-- But PP produced 100's of boats over the years under the Powerplay name. They do have a "following" and therefore you can see the value-- people still want PP's.

I agree, but then what does that say for the Apache guys:food-smiley-007::D










seriously, Im glad McManus still builds them

McManus Apache has a hardcore following.

Yeah....but the boats are old-tech and Apache guys have thin skins! :D

LOL!

Apache's have a very strong following. There are alot still around- also....and McManus is still servicing them

every thing that you have said here is just about the people, not the concept, i have to disagree wholeheartedly that people dont want old school looks with todays technology. Just the right people havent done it. As with Parn's post and what I told yoou in chat, you cant hold everyone responsible for the actions of one/few people. As for Chief, I dont know all of the details so I wont comment, but the boat is an albatross, albeit a very good one, it needs to have the right buyer, Mike seems like a great guy and I wish him the best in selling it.
As for old school new, taking an older mold and building it with todays tech is probably the dream of more than most on this site. I see it growing, it will take time. Mark Mc Manus has always had the ability to build a new boat, but why not wait for the customer, I've never heard him turning anyone down.? if someone called him and wanted one, I'm quite sure his response was , "sure thing" Why would he turn away taking care of the existing tribe? no need to, it means plenty for a buyer to know that their boat went back to Apache to be serviced, whether they built it or not, the standards still apply.
Personnaly, I think the market for pro-touring boats has only been scratched....build them, they will come.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...=173158&page=2

very interesting thread...

I'm quite aware of that thread and whats going on with that boat,and that was exactly my point, why would anyone, including Mark McManus, saturate the market with boats. his business plan makes perfect sense ESPECIALLY when times are tough economically, take care of what people have.Some one came to him with a request and he is building it.
compare it to the housing market, how many are upgrading their current model,rather than buying new?
the direction of my comment was to Marc Blondin saying this market is dead...and that is what I disagree with.


You know you want to Pat, go ahead, that 43 will look great with old school styling... :)

I agree also, boat to date looks awesome, Pat's fine tuning the plug..Old School looking boats with that offshore look are awesome in my book, I believe this new 43 with a few of the changes Pat is making will be a welcome to the market place, you never know whom might buy one.

This thread has aboviously taken a turn of hidden agenda's and usless bantor....

bottom line... if anyone wants to know the real story, just pick up the phone...

Panther was half right

The only agenda i had was to tell more of the Chief story and why there werent 6 more Chiefs out there

It was a question that was asked I was qualified to answer

I also offered my opinion, not a demand that everyone buy into my theories only to share my view

Other agendas have been laid out and i will take the high road on this

It has been said to "take the board out of your eye before you take the splinter out of mine" I hope some keep that in mind

Merry Christmas all

PS for the record In my opinion The Chief (The one that was built) Apache, And Saber are all great boats

France

Semper Fi

You have a good point

The equiptment (motors, drives Hardware,trailer ect..) have good value and the hull has some as well

It will not comand the top dollor that a new boat can or that a used main stream boat would

but if someone is looking for an old school style (With steps in it) that handles like its ansestors than it may be right for that person

It is a tough sale that is for sure but there is a rear for every seat we just need to find that guy or girl

Apache folks always say that!!! So you know what........I picked up my phone, I even carried as far as the cord would reach, but I still didn't get the real story! Maybe I would have used an "old school" rotary dial phone? :D

http://www.oldphones.com/catalog/302_little.jpg

I know--I sold my 33' race Powerplay last year--it took a while and the right person for sure! Best of luck selling the boat.

ahhhhhhhhhh Nort, you carck me up! Happy holidays to you and your family! ...and all of OSO

I agree

and am not speeking out of school
it was my opinion on what boat companies have died

if they come back to life then that is great we will all support em (Well most will) and hope for the best



McManus continues to build great boats and maintains many of the old boats out there They are alive and visably working on projects I look forward to seeing his work

Also i cant wait to see the new and improved Banana boat

The rotary may have worked better! As a matter of fact, I think it's an option in the new apaches! :evilb:

Marc, what's the deal bro.... First Chief, then the Warf and and lastly Trick? :hitfan:

About the Banana, I had a convo with the man himself in Patchogue and I understand there might be a joint venture of sorts...with some of the legends....

May have to go back farther.... Remember the Party lines? :D

elkskin drums

LMAO

What is the current asking price of the Chief? Also, what is the weight of it the way that it is rigged (just a guesstimate to compare to old school 41's)?

I think it is a truely awesome boat and if I had some money to unload I would be looking harder. Unfortunately, I am upgrading homes at the moment and a new boat isn't in the cards for a couple years.

Best of luck to the seller. That would suck to have something so cool that you don't get a chance to use.

Panther,

Good question
tis why i decided to get out of the boat stuff
actually there is more than those three that but who is counting :)

Trick job was my son not me Same story different family member LOL He also worked for a local boat company when he left Trick and got the burn as well
So he is also changed his basic customer base and is doing much better

Chief seemed like a good idea but Wow what an eye opener
and good reason to get out
The only bright spot to that was Pat at Active
I really got to like his boats and Pat isnt to bad either LOL
was best part of being involved in the Chief deal

As far as the Wharf,
I was out of there before all hell broke loose

I tried to warn off a couple of others about the Wharf after i was gone. I even took one guy to lunch to try to get him to understand he was being lied to but he didnt want to listen to me and was still drinking the kool aid, he got burned in a big way as well! Then again what do i know I am just "The all knowing king of offshore boating" LOL:cool-smiley-011:


The past owner of The Wharf is another Bill Hionis, not in jail either but bilked the banks for over 16 million in phantom boats and there is another common denominator linked to him but then again i guess i will just shut my pie hole about that

:angry-smiley-038:

It is true dont make your passion your job
I am looking forward to enjoying boating again and letting others deal with the day to day struggles of the boat industry

I am glad what i do today is a friendly small business that serves many industries from boating, to performance cars, to hunters, and many other diverse groups

I am not putting all my eggs in one basket like that again

Hope you have a great holiday season

To bust Marc's balls about the Chief situation and Mike's boat specifically shows how little you actually know about the transaction. Marc worked his ass off to get Mike his boat after a year of BS from the builders. Mike has the patience of a saint.......

Brett,
without your help and advice we probably would still be trying to get him his boat

I am not sure i ever fully thanked you for your wisdom and insight during that time

Thanks so much for all your help

Happy holidays to you and your family

True. I apologize for that part of my comments. I know a fair amount about the transaction and was out of line for commenting. NK

COUNSELOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see you around buddy!!!! :)

Now we can all be one happy family............after we kill GOODT :):angry-smiley-038::evilb::hitfan:

G-

Looks like a huge pile of bondo! :D Come on! We are nearing 2010 (okay......we are at 2008). The technology should be HUGE!!!!!!! Otherwise, don't bother to introduce a "new boat" to the offshore family!! We're not in the 80's anymore!!!!!




I wish you guys a Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!