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Here is your typical 12-foot-wave on Lake Michigan. :D

http://www.soasoas.com/april/gallery...c_filtered.jpg

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[QUOTE=94Scarab29]Here is your typical 12-foot-wave on Lake Michigan. :D



LMAO :D

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And thats in the summertime :D

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Hey thats a Dutch seawall...free! :D :D

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Have you guys ever been in a real rough sea boat? Take a ride in a Sutphen, it will out ride, out handle any foutain ever made in seas above 5'...

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Which one does over a 100 with 525's....... :rolleyes: People are alway in a hurry to show you how smart they are. :rolleyes:

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I was in lake erie a few weeks ago with my 47 lightning, I was on the north side headed SSE with the wind comming from the S @ 19Knots. Roughest stuff I ran in yet. I am not a good judge wave of height but they were big. I was running with drives tucked in and almost full tabs @ 28 MPH. Blasted through each wave for 10 miles. Got spray on us with every wave. I decided to pick up the speed I ended up around 60MPH it was smoother and only an ocassional pound but it handled it very well. I backed down as I could not see anything through the windshield or my glasses and I got a little scared as I was the only boat out there. I turned back and went back to detroit. Just too rough for me. O the way I seen a big cruiser that his dingy was nocked off his boat he was tying a rope to it to tow back. It was rough. I was surprised he the 47 split the waves so well.

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ummmm, I think he was talking about Fountain Raceboats.

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10. 42 fountain Marlon

Did See 2 Cig's and one Formula though.....BZ

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Hmmmmm, so if we're talking race boats, I'd bet Fountain's not the only manufacturer with a race boat that does over hundred with 525's.
It's hard to figure out what he's saying most of the time anyways, I think he watched one to many info-mercials about Reggie's boats.
Reggie's boats are fast, no doubt about it, but I think Slandrew has psycho crush on Reggie.......... :rolleyes: Can you imagine the a$$ sucking that would happen if those two we're actually in the same room with each other?

Slandrew: Reggie your the best, your so cool, I love your hair, the gold chain, the checkered outfit, I wish I could be like you..............
Reggie: Thanks Slandrew, now get on your knees and say bye bye *****-cat.:eek:
Slandrew:No problem Reggie, I'll take the beak everytime.

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Shh...she thinks I waxed it Saturday. :p

So I have a response being that the beak does the magic on the head on/on coming seas.

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"bout time Gary came around ! :evilb:

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Fountain was 1,2,3 in PR. Wazzup got DQ'd I think :(

Is that rough water? :p

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Docked in the afternoon. NK

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Seems to me Cape Coral isn't on an ocean. Regardless, your post makes you sound like a pompass azzhole who has never boated on any "great lake". NK

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WHATS IN YOUR AVITAR :eek:

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I have boated on the ocean off of Miami. I have also done the gulf side (Cape Coral & Fort Myers area) which is about as flat of water I have ever been in. No doubt the ocean in really high winds will sink ships it gets so bad, but so will the dull boring Great Lakes. Read the posts and you will discover our lakes can be brutal.

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I guess no one watches the discovery channel. :rolleyes:

The great lakes have some of the meanest waters around (when it's windy). This is due to the amplitude and frequency of the waves. They get some stiff north and northwesterly winds in the fall and winter from the clippers and low pressures!

In one discovery show there was a tanker that was in some very rough seas and two waves under the boat, bow and stern. This caused the ship to break in half and sink to the bottom.

Other places like Lake George and Lake Champlain, the wind funnels down the mountains and it gets really bad! When I was young my family had to spend a couple extra nights because it was too rough to go home on Champlain.

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Now that's a bad rumor! Nothing cracked!
Just wanted to set the record straight.
Scott Shogren
www.chicagofountain.com

We will have it at the Shootout this weekend.

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You just hit the nail on the beak. Biggest problem with the ride on many pad bottoms is the driver overtrimming the boat. Definitely takes a lot more skill to get the ride out of these boats.

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comon guys..
any large body of water can Kick your azz. Lakes oceans etc.. the boats we are in are not designed to take real rough nasty crap,
if you get caught in a weather pattern that blows up to a gail then to storm conditions you dont have a chance, these are performance boats,, sure they can handle moderatly rough conditions but real 8+ footers will not just be an uncomfortable ride, an 8 ft wave has a deep troft behind it so its gonna feel like a 12 ftr, and depending on the time = distance between can really make it hairy... anything over 3-4 i stay home.. :D and drink beer,,, :drink:
even if i am in a boat designed for it, our sail boat in Puerto Vallarta can get thru it but its not fun, it gets freakin hairball,, never took out bayliner its 43 ft overall weighs around 25000 lbs and it blows thru alot at 10 knots but still would not go out in that phsyco weather,, yes i am a chicken,, :D
in the real world of boating our offshores are potato chips out there,, as a kid my dad used to make me crew on his 50 ft sail boat, doing races from sweden to denmark etc,, ( it was miserable )
i been in chit that was super ugly,, forget that, not fun.
we ran our old 35 foutain in some ugly water leaving newport going up to longbeach man did it kick our butts
wet, sore, cold, screws had to be tightend, wife pissed!!, etc.
dont leave newport late afternoon.. :eek:

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Very true, my family learned the hard way a number of years ago...

When there are small craft advisories it's best to stay home. Also, running WFO in crap like that, no matter what your skill is, you can't predict when you'll hit a hole or land down the back of a trough and stuff it. Call me what ya want but I'd rather live to boat another day! :drink:

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Dust like Confetti, that must have been spray running by a freindly competitor. No, nothing wrong other than some cosmetic stress cracks (superficial) by glove box, broken mirror and a few loose screws. Check with your board freind 10X he was driving it, but please do not stir up un-necesary rumors.

Thank you

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My last boat was an old '85 Baja 25' Force ( Yeah, I'm the poorest guy on the board :mad: ) but it's been 7 years since I even had that one.
But, it was pretty heavy for the size. If I remember, it was around 4500 #'s, and I carried so much crap on it... more #'s added up.
I was never afraid to take it out in 5's - been out a few times (intentionally) in 6-8's to make it from Toledo to PIB - maybe just to prove a point. And been caught in larger seas unintentionally.
If you know how to run your boat, and know how to read the waves, you will also know your limitations.
And before someone chimes in with the "time honored" chart about reading actual wave height (measured from horizontal, crest, trough depth... wave"length"...) yes, I know how to measure, when out in a 6' sea, I saw a 12' hole in front of me. I was in a 25'er. In a small boat, you try to run the troughs, which are always changing direction, and changing elevation from "horizon" - this also means that you need to know how to "navigate", otherwise you're gonna find your azz a long way from where you meant to go. My experiences on Erie were that you eventually run out of trough to run through, and wind up on a crest - this is when it get's ugly - you're gonna stuff, you're basically surfing the wave (if following sea, might have a chance to run the trough out of it), but if it's a head on sea, you're gonna stuff - if you don't read the upcoming wave pattern quick enough and apply the sticks properly.
In a larger boat, if you can catch the "wavelength" you're in for a fun ride (if you know what you're doing) skipping across crest's - it still takes alot of work getting in/out of the sticks at the right time, you're going to see some air time.
The newer, lighter, or exotic hull lay-up's IE steps, don't react the same - also don't react the same to long periods of air time. Less surface tension because of an aerated hull, the old straight bottom heavy V is gonna stick to the water more, or just launch off it when it drops out from underneath.
I don't mean to sound like an azz, or that I'm an expert of any sort, these are merely opinions and observations, and experiences.

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Exactly...on a good pad bottom boat were the pad runs up to the bow like on a Velocity or a good step hull boat like a Fountain you do not need to trim it to the moon for the best top speed. Let the bottom design work for you. A lot of guy think the trim buttom is the go button...it's not! I had this very same conversaion with Ben Robertson recently.

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I love trim !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I still revert to reading the water condition, knowing the "set" of the waves (if there is one :rolleyes: ) , and knowing how YOUR boat handles them.
This isn't about hull design - each has it's own condition that it is built for. But how to react to a condition that is not what your boat was built for is education and experience.

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Hey, Scott
Don't let zoomnfun ruffle your feathers. He's just bitter because he spends so much time in his engine compartment. I don't know if its because something's always broke or because his wife won't let him out.
Back4more: first we were both in the warehouse and now we're both under the rainbow flag. I wonder who we both know who could be so clever???????? If I had a camera that could see through the internet and into his computer, I could zoom in and get a picture.

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U all ain't got sheet on this...

No sheet there I was on a cruise liner minding my own business and WHAM a 100 Ft. wave turned the ship upside down and I had to save a precious few ladies to the top of the vessel to be saved. I swear it was true
:D :D

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OH yea??? This guy has some sheet!!!! :evilb: :evilb: and some really big ballz :eek:
http://ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/superwave.html

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I don't care what boat you have.

The water will always win!!!

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That was not the kind of water that you want to let an inexperienced person control your boat, especially when other people's lives are in your hands.

No, there was no customer at the controls during the entire event, but there were customers and their wives in the boat. If I did'nt know I could handle the boat in those seas, I would've never gotten behind the controls, nor would've Scott allowed me to run the boat. Safety first is our main objective.

Secondly, being in the boat all day, what I noticed was a hair line stress crack in the left corner next to the glovebox. I never seen a broken mirror, but I did see some screws that needed tightning, and a loosened door hinge going into the cabin.

The leg going into chicago in the afternoon seen the waves subside to around 4+ footers or so, with an occasional 5-6 ftr thrown in for fun. :rolleyes: On that run, we were playing with a new Cig 39 Top Gun that had the 700 package also. We went at it 3 or 4 times from about a 75 mph roll. Everytime we started getting into the low to mid 90's the Cig fell back. Don't know if he was all the way into the sticks, or at that speed, felt that it was too much of a uncomfortable situation for him and all of his passengers. And again, we were running quarting seas, in 4-5 ftrs, and both boats were airing out pretty good. Glanced down once to look at the speedo when we were out in front of the Cig, and it was right before 100. When at the card stop I checked the recall, and it read 99 mph, and also on the digital computer. The boat kept picking up speed, and I'll bet it had another 4-5 mph left in it, but it was starting to hang in the air a little bit too long for me, and I'm sure the customers did'nt want to go any faster.
Actually, I was wrong. Once we slowed down I asked the guys and girls in the back if they were a little scared,we'll run back a little easier. They said "hell NO" lets do it again.

Just some insight from a guy that was on board one of the boats for Shogren. When we pulled all the boats out of the water, I did'nt notice any cracks or damage to any other boats than the one I was running. I wish I would've taken a picture of it, but I doubt it would've taken cause it was a hairline crack in the corner. Actually, my wife noticed it after we came in from the run to Mich city. She thought it was a hair off of one of the girls in the boat, and she went to wipe it off, that's when she showed me, and I realized it was a crack, and not a hair. :(

You really need to ride in one of these boats when the lake's snotty out there and see for yourself. I think you'd be surprized. I was. :eek:

Frank

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So, you talked to my partner, Powerboat Mag, Frank, Franks Wife or a friend that has never been on a poker run or on a true sport boat? That's the only people that were on the boat and the s--- seems to be getting deeper.

Let it go and come out and play next time it's rough becasue I/we will not be at the docks or running inside the break wall. There is nothing worse than an aggitator that can't be found on race day or rough water. I hope to meet you someday and put this to rest.

Regards,

Shogren Performance Marine

www.chicagofountain.com

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That's probably Laird Hamilton, the king of big wave riders. :cool:

One of these days I'll get back out in the water but for now I just have some pictures to remember it by. :D Can't find these waves on the lake though. :drink:

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One fart smeller he felt fart! :eek:

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There was only one boat put on a lift at Chicago Poker Run with a hole, yes it was a, I am sure you already know.

Regards,

Shogren Performance Marine

www.chicagofountain.com[/QUOTE]

Your rebuttles to the Zoomfuns posts have been classy to this point. Don't you think that this is a little over the edge. The person that owns the boat in question has nothing to do with this thread. Come on. :rolleyes:

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I've raced in both.....big water is big water, whether it is salt or fresh.

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Dam! :eek:

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Your rebuttles to the Zoomfuns posts have been classy to this point. Don't you think that this is a little over the edge. Jimmy or his boat have nothing to do with this thread. Come on. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

:eek: Andy :eek: shame on you. Nobody ever mentioned any names here or what kind of boat, but now you let the cat out of da bag. :(