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littlenige 09-02-2006 06:28 AM

The Fountain Beak - Why?
 
Can anyone tell me the theory behind the bow design on the Fountain hulls? Try as I might I canīt get over how (for me) it spoils completely the overall look of the hull. Is it supposed to help prevent damage in the event of a stuff?? The only benefit I can see is that it makes it obvious that itīs a fountain and canīt be mistaken for anything else - but to me itīs just ugly......!!

clearcut3 09-02-2006 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by littlenige
Can anyone tell me the theory behind the bow design on the Fountain hulls? Try as I might I canīt get over how (for me) it spoils completely the overall look of the hull. Is it supposed to help prevent damage in the event of a stuff?? The only benefit I can see is that it makes it obvious that itīs a fountain and canīt be mistaken for anything else - but to me itīs just ugly......!!

:D

This will be like an Apache thread :D

Here is my summation of the responses you will get:

Fountain guys
It makes the boat noticeable and stand out in a crowd. People recognize fountain because of this

Non-Fountain guys

Reggie added the beak and integrated swim platform so he could advertise a boat as being 3' longer than it actually is

I once had a fountain owner tell me the engine compartments open to the sides so you could work on the engines during a race....my response "sure, I have swapped carbs at 90 MPH many times" :D

:D

ratman 09-02-2006 07:16 AM

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the beak is the result of peniz envy, the mich light boat has two large holes in the engine bulkhead so the navigator or throttle man can enter the engine compartment while under way without having to open the engine hatches, keep in mind the old school boats were raced in the old days when the men were men and the sheep knew it :D

Chris Sunkin 09-02-2006 07:18 AM

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The beak makes it easier to insert.

Stormrider 09-02-2006 07:20 AM

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it provides lift.

cosmic12 09-02-2006 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormrider
it provides lift.

??????????????????????????????????????? :rolleyes:

Payton 09-02-2006 08:39 AM

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I think it started out as way to be a little different. Which in my opinion is a good thing. That's why I have a Super Hawaii, to be a little different. Now there are so many Fountains, it is no longer different. But you can always tell when it is a Fountain.
What I don't understand is why there is such a love/hate relationship to peoples opinions of Fountains. I feel they are great boats for a decent price. Leave it at that. Why on earth do some people feel the need to bash other peoples boats? :mad:
Get your boat out on the water, line up with a Fountain , and race. Then do it in rough water. see who is faster. A lot will depend on the driver!!!!

Indy 09-02-2006 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Payton
I think it started out as way to be a little different. Which in my opinion is a good thing. What I don't understand is why there is such a love/hate relationship to peoples opinions of Fountains. I feel they are great boats for a decent price. Leave it at that. Why on earth do some people feel the need to bash other peoples boats? :mad:
Get your boat out on the water, line up with a Fountain , and race. Then do it in rough water. see who is faster. A lot will depend on the driver!!!!

I agree...I like all the offshore boats. I wouldn't buy a Fountain but glad they're around.

JCPERF 09-02-2006 09:27 AM

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Fountain hull was originally an Excalibur hull.He added the beak to make it his own.

Roger 1 09-02-2006 09:32 AM

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So it would'nt look like an excalibur.

SOX 09-02-2006 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Payton
I think it started out as way to be a little different. Which in my opinion is a good thing. That's why I have a Super Hawaii, to be a little different. Now there are so many Fountains, it is no longer different. But you can always tell when it is a Fountain.
What I don't understand is why there is such a love/hate relationship to peoples opinions of Fountains. I feel they are great boats for a decent price. Leave it at that. Why on earth do some people feel the need to bash other peoples boats? :mad:
Get your boat out on the water, line up with a Fountain , and race. Then do it in rough water. see who is faster. A lot will depend on the driver!!!!

I agree. 100%

Pure Energy 09-02-2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormrider
it provides lift.

Yup

cosmic12 09-02-2006 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JCPERF
Fountain hull was originally an Executioner hull.He added the beak to make it his own.

you mean Excaliber, and I believe it was a 28 at that

CONDOR24 09-02-2006 10:00 AM

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perhaps it was to differt the airflow over that high windshield to prevent hair piece failures in some cases :D :eek:

JUKED YOU 09-02-2006 10:00 AM

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If Fountains did not have beaks then OSO would be the most boring place on the face of the earth, So i will stand by my theory that the beak is in place for the good of OSO.... :drink:

cosmic12 09-02-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JUKED YOU
If Fountains did not have beaks then OSO would be the most boring place on the face of the earth, So i will stand by my theory that the beak is in place for the good of OSO.... :drink:

good one :drink:

NRG 09-02-2006 10:27 AM

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The only benefit I can see is that it makes it obvious that itīs a fountain and canīt be mistaken for anything else
You answered your own question.

Hauling Trash 09-02-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmic12
you mean Excaliber, and I believe it was a 28 at that


It was a 32 Excaliber

cosmic12 09-02-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
It was a 32 Excaliber

ok if you say so, I was thinking that after I said 28. so add the beak and what have you got? 33 that was later called 35 :evilb:

RonS 09-02-2006 10:54 AM

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You guys all have it wrong, the shape of the beak provides aerodynamic lift which increases the speed and improves the handling of the boat.

At least that's what Reggie said years ago in advertisements and interviews. How do I know it's true??

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SH*T UP :D

Scott B 09-02-2006 11:01 AM

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So, that means we need to get the cat builders to start adding beaks??

CigDaze 09-02-2006 11:27 AM

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Most people laugh when I explain it, most folks thing it's simply stylistic, but the fact is that the beak (and the flare which is evident down the length of most of the hull) has a huge impact on the aerodynamics of Fountain's hulls. Not only does it provide a substantial deal of bow lift, but this flare, or lip, helps greatly streamline and separate the flow of air down the hullsides and the deck. It alleviates a good deal of 'swirling' as air tends to spill from the front sides and onto the deck. This creates a vortexing movement of air on most boats. I've done some CFD modeling on various hulls, and reggie definately has something with his beak. ;)

Roger 1 09-02-2006 12:02 PM

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[QUOTE=Hauling Trash]It was a 32 Excaliber[/QUOTE

That's the way I understand it as well. Here is a picture that I yanked out ot the classifieds of a 32 EXCALIBUR.

KRAZYKATZ 09-02-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormrider
it provides lift.

double yup.
lifts boat out of water at high speeds.

Too Old 09-02-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Payton
What I don't understand is why there is such a love/hate relationship to peoples opinions of Fountains. I feel they are great boats for a decent price. Leave it at that. Why on earth do some people feel the need to bash other peoples boats? :mad:

Couldn't agree more. Obviously a lot of people like them. Fountains are some of the most prolific performance boats on the water today.

Scott B 09-02-2006 12:25 PM

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If ya want to talk prolific, lets talk bayliner..

Oh wait :eek: :eek:

Scott B 09-02-2006 12:26 PM

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Forgive me Monte, it's ALL in fun :) :)

ratman 09-02-2006 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
It was a 32 Excaliber

now its a fountain 39' :evilb:

Downtown42 09-02-2006 01:38 PM

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makes it easy to drop the wife off, nose into the dock, then go pick up young babes and raise hell :evilb:

UNSANE 09-02-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CigDaze
Most people laugh when I explain it, most folks thing it's simply stylistic, but the fact is that the beak (and the flare which is evident down the length of most of the hull) has a huge impact on the aerodynamics of Fountain's hulls. Not only does it provide a substantial deal of bow lift, but this flare, or lip, helps greatly streamline and separate the flow of air down the hullsides and the deck. It alleviates a good deal of 'swirling' as air tends to spill from the front sides and onto the deck. This creates a vortexing movement of air on most boats. I've done some CFD modeling on various hulls, and reggie definately has something with his beak. ;)


I was curious about that because I read the reason the new raceboat is missing its beak was because of too much bow lift at those speeds.

Fanatic 09-02-2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by littlenige
- but to me itīs just ugly......!!

I love the look but then again you date guys... :D

jordy 09-02-2006 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RonS
At least that's what Reggie said years ago in advertisements and interviews. How do I know it's true??

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SH*T UP :D

Yeah, and Reggie "THE CAT KILLER" Fountain would never make anything up for an advertisment. :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Pantera1 09-02-2006 03:20 PM

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OK ill say it , I like the look of the beak, you can always tell what it is right away.. In fact the only thing I dont care too much for on the fountains is the dash.. Dated orange crate, prefer the sticks in my right hand and flat not verticle..

cosmic12 09-02-2006 03:32 PM

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I like the look very streamlined. But not everybody is 4 ft tall . I just don't feel safe in them standing and the bolsters tend to push you out of them. The cabin in my 28 is just as big as a 35!!! whats up with that? :eek:

Smarty 09-02-2006 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by littlenige
Can anyone tell me the theory behind the bow design on the Fountain hulls? Try as I might I canīt get over how (for me) it spoils completely the overall look of the hull. Is it supposed to help prevent damage in the event of a stuff?? The only benefit I can see is that it makes it obvious that itīs a fountain and canīt be mistaken for anything else - but to me itīs just ugly......!!

I understood that he took the bottom design (pad) from Allison and the nose from idea from Hydrostream, added it to the basic Excalibur design and improved the boat. I could be wrong, but it makes sense, based on his outboard hot-rodder background prior to starting Fountain powerboats.

Back4More 09-02-2006 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CigDaze
Most people laugh when I explain it, most folks thing it's simply stylistic, but the fact is that the beak (and the flare which is evident down the length of most of the hull) has a huge impact on the aerodynamics of Fountain's hulls. Not only does it provide a substantial deal of bow lift, but this flare, or lip, helps greatly streamline and separate the flow of air down the hull sides and the deck. It alleviates a good deal of 'swirling' as air tends to spill from the front sides and onto the deck. This creates a vortexing movement of air on most boats. I've done some CFD modeling on various hulls, and reggie definitely has something with his beak. ;)

Thanks Nick, You let the cat out of the bag.
Now every offshore builder will add the beak to get better top speed and handling....just like they did with the steps. :p
I also noticed that the beak splits the big waves better than most. :rolleyes:

ACTIVESHACK 09-02-2006 10:06 PM

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I think there are some aero advantages to the beak but its also 18" of boat for Reggie to sell like the 32" swim platform. So that made my 35 i just SOLD a 30'10" boat. Ive got too move the bunks back 6' on my lift for the new AT 37. Some of my friends are asking why im only getting a 2' bigger boat and then i explain the keel length and they understand.

ACTIVESHACK 09-02-2006 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmic12
I like the look very streamlined. But not everybody is 4 ft tall . I just don't feel safe in them standing and the bolsters tend to push you out of them. The cabin in my 28 is just as big as a 35!!! whats up with that? :eek:

I went on Monsoon aka Sydwayz and it sold me. Brian told me your in this boat not on it and i new what he meant after owning 2 beak boats.

littlenige 09-03-2006 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Back4More
I also noticed that the beak splits the big waves better than most. :rolleyes:

Now that makes sense.

littlenige 09-03-2006 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fanatic
I love the look but then again you date guys... :D

You been hacking my pc???.................. :D


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