I hate negotiating
 

You find a boat you like but its way overpriced. Do you make an offer anyway and risk pissing the guy off or just wish him luck and move on? I usually do the later because there really isnt a suptile way to make an offer without it seaming like I'm lowballing him. :(

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I act like I will probably take it, but will have to go to the bank. I call back the next day and tell them I'll have to pass because the bank would only loan X amount. That will normally open the door for negotiation.

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just ask you never know he might need to get rid of it but just throwing a number out there to see if theres any buyers theres an a$$ for every seat just finding that a$$ to pay for it .. i get offered redicoulus numbers all day on boats cars trucks you name it but you know sometimes i take it . money in hand is better then nothing.

just my 2 cents.

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i've always hated the negoiation process as well. but ya gotta start some where and it really comes down to two things. how badly you want to own it and how badly he wants to sell it. sometimes it works out and sometimes it dont.

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Just sold my boat last weekend. Ended up taking 80% of my original asking price. It's September and it needed to go!!!!!

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how do you offer someone 55.7 % of their asking price? :eek:

I dont mind paying what its worth but i refuse to take a beating up front. that will happen soon enough......

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Ilove it thats 1/2 the fun of buying or selling somthing :rolleyes: you gotta start some where . have you ever paid the asking price? have you ever got your asking price? throw out a number and see where it goe's. all he can do is say no, then you say well where are you ? make it fun! :p

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Someone said: When buyer and seller are equally dissatisfied. Then you got a deal to live with. :D

You always have to give and take :drink:

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never heard that but oh so true :D

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Are you talking about the powerplay?

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no. they still havent sorted out the paperwork. :rolleyes:

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Just tell the guy.....The boat is what I've been looking for but I just can't spend $xxx on one. Hope you find someone willing to pay $xxx for it but I'm going to be in $zzz range. If you decide to come down quite a bit please let me know. Be prepared to walk away...whoever calls the other first, LOSES!

I used to buy and re-sell express cruisers, this was my approach. I got some and lost others but if someone is willing to consider the range your in they'll speak up.

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No, Just sold a Formula 312 for over 50K. My Formula 382 showed up 6 weeks ago so I was a little eager to make a deal happen! :rolleyes:

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better off offending him in the offer. i'm sure that hurts less than slamming his boat in a public forum. So from what i can tell you are doing him justice. :D

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i know your right. i just dont want either of us to be the "loser". It shouldnt have to be that way. Ive bought and sold 4 boats in 6 years. all went smooth because they were priced right when i bought them and i priced them fair when i sold them. still took a small hit on a couple but thats the price you pay to enjoy them.

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Make him your offer. It's not going to hurt feelings.
Whats the worse thing that can happen? He says no or offrs a counter......

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What Fred said :p It's a simple process

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60k for the tiger? :p

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It needs to be a realistic offer...

Or you can tell him to keep your number and call you when he deciedes he can't sell it at the higher price.

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Buy from Robert....he does YOUR negotiating for you!!! :drink: :D

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This has always been a tough subject for me. I don't want to offend the guy, but I want a good buy also.
You guy's that call this part fun - maybe you're playing with bigger money then me, I'm usually strectched to my limit's when negotion comes, and by that time I'm in LOVE, and have to have it.
I need to take the emotin out of it.
But some boats (or whatever) only come to market occaisonaly.
It's a tough call.

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I generally figure out what price I can pay and sleep at night, and then offer that... I also explain I am not a car dealer, so I will not insult them with the haggeling process.... if it works, great, if not, I walk.

I also will ALWAYS find a competing deal to work on at the same time, this keeps my emotions in check. I have lost a few deals doing this, but they are rare....

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I will agree to offer some respect if you become a paying member, till then you are a leach.........

sorry to be blunt, but blunt and honest is about all I know......

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My last 2 boats I bought, I priced out at NADA with no options and then I bought on the low end of the price range that pops up. That seems to be close to wholesale. I was able to sell my last boat in the fall after 2 years of use and still got what I paid for it plus a little PROFIT!! 400 Bucks..... It was the perfect deal! He was a newbie in boating and bought on the high end price... Just buy cheap and sell high.. sounds easy :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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AGREED 100% There are ALOT of boats out there, you'll have all winter to find one. Its a buyer's market.

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at least you take it well....

here is a couple of thoughts, you are a fishing guy, no problem with that, but there is an ENTIRELY different community around here, it is like walking into a biker bar......

if you are a high end engine guy or someone with specialized knowledge who can add to the conversation then that is a contributor, if not, then you need to contribute SOMETHING besides a fishing guys opinion.

An opinion is not a contribution in almost any situation, it is someone spouting off....

It is like a guy who is into the tour defrance walking into a biker bar and pointing out problems with the bikers community. The comments made are irrelevant, they come from a source that does not have enough background to be creditable.... you comments on the poker run thread are a good example... become a contributor, either by sharing specialized knowledge, or by helping pay for the forum we all use, either is acceptable, but with a free membership, looks like to me someone wanting something for nothing....

the message is irrelevant if it can not be communicated.....

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I find if you offer a fair price the head in the sky seller sometimes comes to their senses, deap down they know what it's really worth......

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agreed, however I often just walk past the pie in the sky seller, do not want to get into the game.........

I took a college class on negotiating years ago, learned all the closing techniques, how to screw with people, all that mess, then I realized all that crap takes a LOT of time, and time is money, I find it better to do the analysis, figure out what it is worth, ask if it is worth that to me, if so make that offer, and if it is not acceptable walk away.........

there is nothing I need to haggle over I can not live without.....

now haggling with the wife, well, that is different, not much way around all that mess............

no, not upset at all, do not read emotion into the post, there was practically none..............

agreed, I have much to learn..... but this I know....character is not the size or the speed (well we might argue the speed part :D ) it is how the boat is used, if you do not understand that maybe you have as much to learn as I....

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A bidder is better than a looker.

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Tee4Texas

I've watched you take some heat over the last few days when you have clearly been logical and courteous and have put forth some well made comments.
Some people think you shouldn't participate if you aren't a performance boater when in fact half the people out here with
10,000 plus posts have boats that were built in the 80's.
They should go get a new boat or a life.
I appreciate your ability to spell also.Keep em coming!!

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Spoken like a true car dealer!!!!! :D

I got a good wholesale deal on a 1977 Rolls Royce Corniche Coupe, nice dark blue color, but god aweful green seats and carpet. Did'nt bother putting it on our lot straight into the warehouse until I could redo the seats in a nicer color. Pulled up to put the car into the warehouse, got out and this older Scottish dude walking his dog started checking out the car. I'm thinking to myself: "must get rid of the looker" Made excuse that I must get back to the dealership my boss is going to fire me cause I'm really late! Looker: "oh she's forsale, how much?" I pretend to phone boss to get a price and decided to high ball a figure something I'm sure this old guy cant afford and maybe he'll stop wasting my time, told him around $80K and he said "sold". I paid just over $20K for it and had it less than an hour....

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If you are selling, patience is the key. Know what it is worth, and don't get yourself into a situation where you need to unload it.

If you are buying, make sure you have a very good idea of what it is worth before you start bidding. Know what the repair or upgrades are going to cost you. Start low, and be willing to negotiage. When you are getting to your target price, put in offers in smaller and smaller upward increments. I did this with a car dealer the other day, and it got down to $25. It was hilarious!

Try to have fun with it, too. It shouldn't seem like all work.

Michael

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Wow, did you price all the boats at Lake Cumberland....??? :eek:

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The guy I was working with was a tad bit greedy and wanted me to up the price on the guy. Selling that car un-did months of talking him into realistic pricing! We had a 1981 Ferrari 308GTS that he had on the lot for 7 freakin years, had him convinced its time to sell it for the $30K it was worth after the roller he turned down an offer I had for close to $40K, cars still forsale.......

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I had a guy make me an offer over the phone before ever looking at the boat in person

He started out by saying i dont want to insult you

so I told him THEN DONT

Was interesting

I also told a lowballer after he told me his price to buy to" come to Michigan to look at the boat we might be able to work it out" (HE was in California) he then said "well i am just shopping and wondered what it would take " I told him a plane tickit to start with LOL

negociation is jsut part of the proces
and a good deal is a state of mind
everyone has ther point to which they will buy or fly

just need to hone in on that as soon as you can

have fun with it

I have always said it never hurts to ask as long as you dont getmad if i say no

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LMFAO :D

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This works. :rolleyes:

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Ever try a little honesty? "I like your boat, would you take $50K for it?".
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Why worry about pissing off someone who's asking too much for his boat? Its not personal, its about him wanting to get as much for his boat and you wanting to get as much boat as you can for as little as possible. That's how business is done. Would you be more insulted by someone making you an offer for your boat (or car or condo) or by someone walking away without making you an offer, just wishing you good luck?

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I would not worry about pissing the guy off unless the offer you make is way out of line. When I purchased my current boat i offered the dealer 75% of what they were asking and they took it. The answer is always no unless you ask.