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Old 09-18-2006, 10:11 PM
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Well, considering the following statistics, good luck in enforcing this one! Talk about a revolution against the Government!

U.S. BOAT REGISTRATIONS INCREASE 94,000 IN 2001

Michigan remains top state for boating

CHICAGO, December 18, 2002 - - There were 12.9 million recreational boats registered in the United States in 2001 according to the U.S. Coast Guard. This represents an increase of 94,000, or 0.7 percent from the previous year. National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) estimates indicate that 541,000 new boats were sold at retail in 2001, and that there are nearly 17 million boats owned across the U.S.

There are many small, non-powered craft that are not required to be registered by the states or simply not registered by owners, which includes large categories such as canoes (121,000 in 2001) and utility boats (approximately 49,000 in 2001). This accounts for most of the disparity between the USCG reported registration figure and NMMA's estimate on the number of owned boats.

State Rankings

The top 20 states for registered boats recorded almost 75 percent of the total amount in the entire country, accounting for 9.6 million boats. The top ten states for boat registrations account for 51 percent of registered boats at 6.6 million. Michigan retains its title as the number one boating state in the country, with more than 1,000,000 recreational boats registered in 2001. Virginia rounds out the top 20, reclaiming its position after falling to 21st in 2000. The only other change in the top 20 is Tennessee, falling two spaces to number 19, which moves Alabama and Washington up to 17 and 18, respectively.

Here's a look at the remainder of the top 20 states and the total number of boats registered in each:

1. Michigan 1,003,947

2. California 957,463

3. Florida 902,964

4. Minnesota 826,048

5. Texas 621,244

6. Wisconsin 575,920

7. New York 526,190

8. Ohio 414,658

9. South Carolina 382,072

10. Illinois 369,626

11. Pennsylvania 359,525

12. North Carolina 353,560

13. Missouri 335,521

14. Georgia 327,026

15. Louisiana 322,779

16. Mississippi 300,970

17. Alabama 262,016

18. Washington 260,335

19. Tennessee 256,670

20. Virginia 240,509
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I'm impressed - finally someone asking for my opinion on something........glad to see my words are finally sinking in.

Panther - Well, I probably dont understand it well enough and havent researchd it enough to legitimately comment but I would have to say that if twinverados comments are correct, I would say its a bad interpretation of what must really be the story........same as MikeFever - surely there is more to the story than whats in that article. Think about it - all navigable waters off limits? Surely you jest.

Judges for the most part just interpret law and the way many of our state and fed laws are written and conflict, there are often many interpretations of the same law......similar to the Bible in many aspects - take a stand on something and you can find something somewhere to support it - likewise, many judges stay on the bench well after their prime and only after a few outlandish rulings do they get put into a position where they cant have much impact. I would like to see the legal basis (statutes, etc.) that the judge is using to make that determination - then it might be clearer as to how he arrived at this answer.

Panther - BuBoy - now that I gave my opinion, what do you think of this ruling - is it reasonable - any chance this could be correct - any chance this could be legislated?
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The top ten states for boat registrations account for 51 percent of registered boats at 6.6 million.
This actually hurts.........you want strong representation in all states for any federal law setting.....luckily, most of these laws will be at the state and local levels where boaters can have more influence. Those numbers look strong until you put them in perspetive - multiply them by 3 and that is probably the boating public. Now compare that number to the US population as a percentage.

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Well, considering the following statistics, good luck in enforcing this one! Talk about a revolution against the Government!

U.S. BOAT REGISTRATIONS INCREASE 94,000 IN 2001

Michigan remains top state for boating

CHICAGO, December 18, 2002 - - There were 12.9 million recreational boats registered in the United States in 2001 according to the U.S. Coast Guard. This represents an increase of 94,000, or 0.7 percent from the previous year. National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) estimates indicate that 541,000 new boats were sold at retail in 2001, and that there are nearly 17 million boats owned across the U.S.

There are many small, non-powered craft that are not required to be registered by the states or simply not registered by owners, which includes large categories such as canoes (121,000 in 2001) and utility boats (approximately 49,000 in 2001). This accounts for most of the disparity between the USCG reported registration figure and NMMA's estimate on the number of owned boats.

State Rankings

The top 20 states for registered boats recorded almost 75 percent of the total amount in the entire country, accounting for 9.6 million boats. The top ten states for boat registrations account for 51 percent of registered boats at 6.6 million. Michigan retains its title as the number one boating state in the country, with more than 1,000,000 recreational boats registered in 2001. Virginia rounds out the top 20, reclaiming its position after falling to 21st in 2000. The only other change in the top 20 is Tennessee, falling two spaces to number 19, which moves Alabama and Washington up to 17 and 18, respectively.

Here's a look at the remainder of the top 20 states and the total number of boats registered in each:

1. Michigan 1,003,947

2. California 957,463

3. Florida 902,964

4. Minnesota 826,048

5. Texas 621,244

6. Wisconsin 575,920

7. New York 526,190

8. Ohio 414,658

9. South Carolina 382,072

10. Illinois 369,626

11. Pennsylvania 359,525

12. North Carolina 353,560

13. Missouri 335,521

14. Georgia 327,026

15. Louisiana 322,779

16. Mississippi 300,970

17. Alabama 262,016

18. Washington 260,335

19. Tennessee 256,670

20. Virginia 240,509

Just curious how sales tax breaks down per state....? Michigan has been the leaders for awile. but still has the shortest boating season.....
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I'm impressed - finally someone asking for my opinion on something........glad to see my words are finally sinking in.
Don't flatter yourself, at least 95% of the people here think that you're a phucking retard. Don't think for a minute that anyone believes that you've never been here before with a different screen name.

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Good point tomtbone.............legislators definitely feel the heat from locale and state levels when you talk about loss of sales taxes, registration fees, recreational monies, etc, etc. I would say boating overall definitely carries more clout in total absolute dollars spent than some other sports such as drag racing. Part of our problem is that we dont have a common lobbying organization such as the NHRA, NASCAR, SCCA, etc, etc.........at least one I am not aware of.
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This actually hurts.........you want strong representation in all states for any federal law setting.....luckily, most of these laws will be at the state and local levels where boaters can have more influence. Those numbers look strong until you put them in perspetive - multiply them by 3 and that is probably the boating public. Now compare that number to the US population as a percentage.

Ouch.

Actually this number looks strong, "NumberPeople participating in recreational boating 74,847,000" and there is NO WAY the Government is going to be able to take boating away from 74 million people

NumberPeople participating in recreational boating 74,847,000
Water skiers10,314,000
All Boats in use16,824,000
Outboard boats owned8,300,000
Inboard boats owned1,609,000
Sterndrive boats owned1,673,000
Personal watercraft1,100,000
Sailboats owned1,669,000
Miscellaneous craft owned (canoes, rowboats, dinghies, and other craft registered by the states)949,000
Other (estimated canoes, rowboats, etc. not registered by the states)1,524,000
Marinas, Boatyards, Yacht Clubs, Dockominiums, Parks and other10,320

1998 Boaters and Boats in the United States:Population EstimatesSource: “Boating 1998” prepared by the National MarineManufacturers Association, Chicago, ILThe “in-use” figures are based on actual state and Coast Guardregistrations and estimates of non-registered boats.
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Playn - good research. If 74m is the boating public, then that makes 25% of the total US population boaters which is pretty impressive. That number surprises me but thats what the math says.

To expound on what t-tom said, imagine then the economic value of boating to the US. I, too, think its a hard row to hoe to make boating illegal.........that is why as I said above, I dont believe the article has all the facts or the judge is developing some artery blockage. This would be akin to outlawing hamburgers.

My point on the number of states has to do with federal law and the respective electoral college. Obviously, many states with significant impact is usually (not always) better than a few states with overwhelming impact. However, most boating decisions are made on local and state levels.

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Old 09-19-2006, 06:10 AM
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RonS and I tried to explain that the "ebb and flood" rule of the New Jersey Supreme Court might be important as an explanation for this news. Lets say we would have both enjoyed it if you had joined in in our posting, although we are not paying members:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=140601

Lets say this wouldnt have happened if you had named the both threads with appropriate titles and leave extreme titles for funthreads.

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Okey, so I will answer myself once again.

The "ebb and flood" rule literally taken means the shorelines of ebb and flood caused by the gravity of the moon. The space between the normal dayly tidal lines is public. The state is not allowed to sell that space. Above the flood shoreline the state can sell the land and mark that with? Right, landmarks. The watersurface is public too, but not in cases when rain or gulf water pressed by a storm into the estuary... cause an unnormal high flood shoreline above those landmarks that sign the privat property. RonS explained that already.
The next court will pobably point that out. The watersurface underneath the dayly flood shoreline must stay public till the first landmarks, according to the supreme court (or digital landmarks of privat property in the topographic... landmaps...). If a judge tries to change that one is allowed to start legal acts against that.

A landowner is allowed to let water flood his privat property above the tidal flood shoreline, is allowed to build piers on his property and call this a privat marina. In this case the marina is a waterbank which is not according to the former tidal flood shoreline but one can not argue that the marina is public property. The piers are only an extension of the former tidal flood shore and manmade, not caused by the gravity of the moon. The owner of the property and the marina is allowed to decide the issues concerning the marina inside of his landmarks.
That might be the whole story, the next court probably decides something like this. The story might end there which means that the story is a bubble rather than a story.

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