Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
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Originally Posted by 100-Plus
FeverMike,
I'm still a newby (and I still need to pony up for a real membership, I know), but I have to ask: What technology, exactly, is trickling down from kilo runs? Or is it just a matter of engine builders making 1,500-hp (and then some) engines that will live long enough to survive a kilo.
In auto racing, you can point to things like paddle shifters that have made their way into consumer sports cars. But I'm curious as to what comes, in the form of technology, from a kilo run. And I'm not asking to be a wiseguy. I'm genuinely curious. If we're talking hull advances, it would be cool to know what they are.
Some of the knowledge gained might be proprietary to a company like Fountain, I know. But then to say something like, "We learned all this from kilo runs and racing, and then leave the "all this" undefined doesn't make the case. It comes off as marketing-speak.
Anyway, I'm sure you can point out a few things. And I sure could use the education. Thanks.
I'm still a newby (and I still need to pony up for a real membership, I know), but I have to ask: What technology, exactly, is trickling down from kilo runs? Or is it just a matter of engine builders making 1,500-hp (and then some) engines that will live long enough to survive a kilo.
In auto racing, you can point to things like paddle shifters that have made their way into consumer sports cars. But I'm curious as to what comes, in the form of technology, from a kilo run. And I'm not asking to be a wiseguy. I'm genuinely curious. If we're talking hull advances, it would be cool to know what they are.
Some of the knowledge gained might be proprietary to a company like Fountain, I know. But then to say something like, "We learned all this from kilo runs and racing, and then leave the "all this" undefined doesn't make the case. It comes off as marketing-speak.
Anyway, I'm sure you can point out a few things. And I sure could use the education. Thanks.
Lay up schedules, type of materials used, drive heights, tabs postions, balance of the boat, placments of steps, geometry of steps, pads, chines and strakes, aerodynamics of the hull and deck all come from R&D to make a boat go faster on the race course or the kilo run. these improvments obviously trickles down to Fountain pleasure boats.
So far it only seems Fountain is the company who excells at proper R&D. Fountain does not give up win or lose. Other company's try this and fail and then quit and give up. I loved the Scarab vs Fountain race and Kilo wars of the 90's. Scarab one some and Fountain won some. Scarab kept coming back improving there race boats and pleasure boats. Unfortuantly Wellcraft Scarb gave up and Fountain is still going to this day. Where are the other manufactures? Cigarette came close a few months ago but never went back to work on the hull...why did they give up? I hope someone steps up to the plate and improves upon there design.
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Re: Fountain New Kilo Record by Miami Show!
That's kind of the answer I was after, FeverMike, so thanks. But I'm really interested in specifics. When you say "hull technology," what exactly does that mean? Step height, placement and venting? Strake geometry? Deck aerodynamics? All of the above and more?
My theory, and I make no claim that it is inarguable, is that the biggest change here is horsepower that doesn't blow up after one hard run. The engines available now simply weren't available back in the day. Remember when 700 hp was major? Now it's right in the middle of the Mercury Racing line.
So I tend to agree with T2X, not so much about the "hype" factor but that power has more to do with the big speeds and "efficiency" we're seeing in today's V-bottoms.
As for the statement that only Fountain excels at proper R & D, I'm sure there are plenty of other V-bottom and catamaran builders that would take issue with that.
Again, thanks for the information. I do appreciate your perspective.
My theory, and I make no claim that it is inarguable, is that the biggest change here is horsepower that doesn't blow up after one hard run. The engines available now simply weren't available back in the day. Remember when 700 hp was major? Now it's right in the middle of the Mercury Racing line.
So I tend to agree with T2X, not so much about the "hype" factor but that power has more to do with the big speeds and "efficiency" we're seeing in today's V-bottoms.
As for the statement that only Fountain excels at proper R & D, I'm sure there are plenty of other V-bottom and catamaran builders that would take issue with that.
Again, thanks for the information. I do appreciate your perspective.
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Originally Posted by 100-Plus
That's kind of the answer I was after, FeverMike, so thanks. But I'm really interested in specifics. When you say "hull technology," what exactly does that mean? Step height, placement and venting? Strake geometry? Deck aerodynamics? All of the above and more?
My theory, and I make no claim that it is inarguable, is that the biggest change here is horsepower that doesn't blow up after one hard run. The engines available now simply weren't available back in the day. Remember when 700 hp was major? Now it's right in the middle of the Mercury Racing line.
So I tend to agree with T2X, not so much about the "hype" factor but that power has more to do with the big speeds and "efficiency" we're seeing in today's V-bottoms.
As for the statement that only Fountain excels at proper R & D, I'm sure there are plenty of other V-bottom and catamaran builders that would take issue with that.
Again, thanks for the information. I do appreciate your perspective.
My theory, and I make no claim that it is inarguable, is that the biggest change here is horsepower that doesn't blow up after one hard run. The engines available now simply weren't available back in the day. Remember when 700 hp was major? Now it's right in the middle of the Mercury Racing line.
So I tend to agree with T2X, not so much about the "hype" factor but that power has more to do with the big speeds and "efficiency" we're seeing in today's V-bottoms.
As for the statement that only Fountain excels at proper R & D, I'm sure there are plenty of other V-bottom and catamaran builders that would take issue with that.
Again, thanks for the information. I do appreciate your perspective.
2-Yes that is somewhat what I was saying. Power today is much more reliable that yesterday. But again if you put twin 500hp in a 1990 38 Cig and then put the same power in a Fountain, OL or even today's Cig the newer boats will be faster.
3-Well then let them come out and show it. I have not been speaking in terms of Cat builders. Skater, MTI to name a few sure have excelled in the development of Cat hulls in the last few years...all due to proper R&D through racing and kilos.
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Originally Posted by 100-Plus
I'm still a newby , but I have to ask: What technology, exactly, is trickling down from kilo runs? Or is it just a matter of engine builders making 1,500-hp (and then some) engines that will live long enough to survive a kilo.
This stuff spins off to the production boats.
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Originally Posted by Fanatic
In 1990 3000 hp got you the world record at 114 mph in a 47 Fountain race boat. Today 3000 hp gets you knocking on 200 mph. A 47 Fountain Lightning fully equiped pleasure boat with 2150 hp (2x1075) gets you 117 mph nowdays.
This stuff spins off to the production boats.
This stuff spins off to the production boats.
Now, there are a lot of seriously nice boats out there. I'm not knocking them in terms of performance or build quality. Personally I'd own a 38-39 Nortech or Cigarette anyday...love those boats...awesome boats.
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Originally Posted by Rippem
All it's gonna do when physics innevitably catches up to man's challenges (which it has been for thousands of years) is that people are gonna die and yet another black eye will be placed on the interest of recreational performance boating which any of this has very little to do with.
Unless the boat has capsules, a 180 MPH failure is simply not survivable.
as far as customer service, well...some just have a well known better record of satisfaction than others, deal with it.
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Originally Posted by T2x
Others believe that he is still pushing the envelope in spite of his age...... a sort of modern day Moses racing up Mount Sinai..... a beacon of light for those poor souls lost in the darkness of powerboat performance oblivion....a veritable inspiration for both the washed and the unwashed masses to follow..... The Pied Piper of Propeller driven speedboats.
Originally Posted by T2x
The sad thing..... many of you actually swallow this hype, proving yet again that clever marketing trumps fact every time.
Originally Posted by T2x
This is a simple example of less and less lbs per HP going faster and faster regardless of hull design........until and unless stability is lost.
Explain to me how my friends boat in 1990 (Alen Fuentes) which was a stripped down 42 Lightning race boat with staggered twin 1000 mercs ran ~100 mph wide open, yet a fully loaded heavier 42 lightning pleasure boat with staggered 1000's will run 120 plus today?
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Sorry, but these speed records go into the wrong direction!
What average boater gets a better boat because of these records? No one!
I like the idea of comparing comparable modells of diefferent manufacturers with MILD power.
heiko
What average boater gets a better boat because of these records? No one!
I like the idea of comparing comparable modells of diefferent manufacturers with MILD power.
heiko
Originally Posted by Semper Fi
I persoanlly would like to see different maufactures with equal size boats and power do a speed comparison-- maybe a 39 OL VS. 39 TG VS. 38 NT VS. 38 Hustler and all with same power 525, 600, 700 or 850 Mercs