Ettore powerboats?
 

So what's the real deal here? On another thread, people are bashing them.
Ettore boats look like a hot ticket but are there problems with the hull?
Dave D, F2-07 Wild Child

DJD, I think the hull is from Extreme and Weismann rigged it and used thier own drives.

What makes it special are that the engines are practically inline and the tranny makes the offset to the drives.

I know Mark built some Phantom hulls for Will Smith. I also know his 29 is tough to beat but the 39 has not been too successfull so far.

There are some great photos in Wiessman's site.

PS. I think ETTORE is the brand of a windshield wiper blade??? Not sure.

I believe it's an Extreme hull. And I would never question that hull after the stuff photo's in powerboat mag!! And they drove it back to the dock on one motor!

Yes, Ettore is a squeege. It is an Extreme.

Well I don't know about the 39, but I drove a 30 Extream Canopy today in the Gulf. The weatherman was calling for 7-9' today and I think he was pretty close.

Watching it run out there before I got in, I started looking for a parachute.

The 30 Extream was a joy to drive. Very controllable, solid, stable, fly's level and lands great. The only thing that broke was the prop.

the Stainless 29' Extreme was nearly unbeatable in A-class..APBA and SBI..incredible boat!
:cool:

If you guys go to www.scopeinfo.com and look at the "hot shots" arcives. My girlfriend took the picture of the ettore boat catching HUUUUGE air during the apba ventura race. It's a nice picture.

The OLD Ettore 39ft went thru
a major change over and is now
a very fast Poker Run Boat.
Now open cockpit with rear seat
and clam shell hatches.
Mike J. :D

MikeJ, How's it going brother? How is the old ettore boat any way? Have you been out on it lately? What are you rigging now? Talked to Ricky lately? What's his deal, did he get a new driver for ragamuffin or what? Ok enough of the 20 questions. Hope all is good with you. Hope to see you soon.

Tank

Get it straight BOYS...

Ettore Products.. largest SQUEGEE manufacturer in the world

Schmalik family, OWNS Ettore Products

EXTREAM Powerboats, built in St, Pete, Owner, builer is Mark Spates (a kind of Einstein lam-job guy withohut an engineering degree), Hull Designer Michael Peters (of Tincarra Catamaran fame)

Schmalik's make Squeegee's for a living, bought two Estreams in the last 3 years, First one rigged by Teague with Teague power, Second one rigged by Dam Macnamara (Archer marine), one set of Sterlings, One set of Pfaffs, so far, neither have worked, first one had #6's, current model has Weismans

Very nice people who seem to have an inexaustable budget and unlimited patience for the whole thing....(maybe the trickest paint job ever on a Super V, including Muscle)

Big stuff and windshield-canopy failure in Key West This year.

Now you know the FACTS...

GR

"Extreme"
As long as your talking "facts."

This has been funny! ;)

The Ettore boat was rigged by Archer Marine.
This is attempt #2 on the 39 footer.
The steps were moved back the cockpit also.
The concept for the drive-line was done by us,Weismann Marine,in line motors,low c/g, off-set fnr crashboxes and drives.
This was our first attempt at a super vee.All cats before we were banned.
We always try to improve on what is existing.
The original bottom was done by Mike Peters the top by Mark at Extreem. Handling was a problem, and still is on #2 but not far from being right.Were working on it now.
I don't know if there is another one since Ettore #2. I rode with Thad in the one Mike J. talked about.It is great with big power. Good job guys fun boat. It is still running our dry-sump #6's.
The boats are very well built. The little boats were very good but Phantoms I thought.
rule changes put Will out too.
Tank, nice shot of the boat.
Pat W. :)

Thanks Koz Man, but to tell you the truth, I don't care !.

GR

Hey Kent.....I beleive i've drove the same "Extreme", and I truly was impressed. Hope your holidays were great.

Hey Greg lighten up, you aren't as *****en as you think you are. You should talk about getting smart and puttig differen't drives on there boats. How many bravo's did you blow over the years? Maybe a Weissmann drive would've done you some good. As for the rigging on the Ettore Boat, Tom Staglino did most of it at Team Archer Marine in Costa Mesa. That boat is unbelieveable. I agree they are reinventing the wheel but sometimes it pays to be different. I know the outcome of the race is what really matters but Ettore left everyone at the start of KW.

The "GM Vortec" boat that runs in P3 (and occasionally Super Vee Light) is also an Extreme. With a 530 hp 469, that boat will run in the 80's and is very, very efficient and tidy. The owner is very pleased with it. I had a close look at it in Key West, and the workmanship and lamination was top-notch. I believe that it is a 29' hull.

Dave Warden,
Yes, I am sure it is the same boat. Sorry for the spelling mistake, I think my eyes are still blurry...

Ryan Buckley (whoever you aren't). Never heard of you and I have been as deep in this sport as you can get since 1992. Your criticism of me proves your ignorance and need just to make a post to try and legitimize yourself as another wanna-be.

When I built my "A" boat, now SVL, surface drives were not allowed, guess that just slipped by your vast personal knowledge brainbank. Also, if you knew anything about those boats you would have known that there are some very significant advantages to useing the Bravo, even though we broke a lot of them, for instance, we never would have set that KILO record with a #6 lite or an Arneson, even if they were allowed because of transmission power loss power loss and weight issues (we also WON most of the races where we didn't break the drive, which is worth mentioning). Everything in my posts are completely accurate based upon my personal experience and alomst always verifiable by third parties that were also there. The reference to Dan Macnamara was purely that he IS Archer Marine since Craig's departure,(I suspect you are one of those guys who "hangs around" over there and idolizes Dan) I never said that his hands personally touched every nut and bolt, for that matter, the guy's at Pfaffs did a lot of re-rigging as well to correct a lot of things, but I realize your need to try to correct me on something that was complety insignificant to the point of the post because it makes you feel like your a part of the sport.

Finally, for the record, show me a single post where I describe myself as "*****en". I'm just a lowley racer with a bunch of checkered flags, Kilo records, etc. who raced FULLY SPONSORED for years in a sport where few exist past a couple of years.

That does not make me *****en, just a little unique.

P.S.. my living room is full of trophies and checkered flags and trophies from real offshore races (not poker runs), what does yours look like ?.

If you want to personally attack me, send me a private e-mail, this thread was about the Ettoree Boat last I checked.

nice response Greg, I like reading your comments now and then. Well, its off to lunch with with Fred Sr.

Gregg,

I think Ryan's post said something about lightening up :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D but why don't you tell us how you really feel??? :D :D

BTW, I think it's sad that you refer to those who "hang around" as wannabes...and if truly view yourself as a "lowly racer" you wouldn't say such things. If it were me, I'd consider them fans and feel lucky to have them...

Boy, what a little TV time will do to some people :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Sean ]

Pat W. Your right the OLD Etore
boat I talked about has your #6
dry sumps and has 2 GM 502/502
Crate motors W/Whipple chargers
They are from IMCO and I guess
they have a bunch that can be
built to order.
If you think you had a ride with Thad ride with Thad JR. the pucker factor is up about
50%.
Mike J. :D :eek:

Who is Gregg Reichman? I have watched Ryan Beckly race, but not this other guy.

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Logan38 ]

Hey Greg,"Herman The German" We have met before, but you are too big of a star to remember that. You were in Will's shop building your phantom. I've got plenty of trophies and checkered flags in my house and office to go around. As for my creditbility in racing, if you do your homework you would know. I would of much rather have taken Danny Mac's approach of a light 6, then blowing drives every race. One, YOU showed that you cant throttle, Two, that you didnt care about wasting your sponsors money. All your "Kilo" records dont come close to holding as much weight as if you had won all the races you had broke down in. I grew up around boat racing long before you started in 1992, and always dreamed of the day to be able to race and I worked my way to be able to do it, I did not buy my way in. I would hardly call what I previously wrote an "attack" on you , but this might be. Thanks for your time!
Ryan Beckley ( wannabe)
P/S NO ONE LIKES YOU GREG!!!!!!
Surface drives were always legal (arnesons etc...)

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Ryan Beckley ]

Ryan, Glad to see you are feeling better. Hope everyone is recovering as well...

I was just perusing Jan Powerboat and those pics (hot shots) man that boat was completely under water...amazing it made it back to the dock...Just two stupid questions...What do you do in a situation like that as far as getting out of it, and what kinda damage can you expect with the motors???

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Boat Girl ]

Here is the picture I was refering to. The Ettore boat "in flight"!!
http://www.scopeinfo.com/images/HOT-...5-Hot-Shot.jpg

Tank

Damn! Is that the space shuttle taking off?

DJD; all the boats were catching huge air! the swells were like 10 feet rollers. That shot was taken from the turn by the ventura pier as the boats head out to sea directly towards the swell! That boat handled it like a champ. HARD landings, then they got back on the sticks! It was sweet. I would like to see the race on speedvision, but I dont know if they are going to play it due to the new programing issues.

Tank

Thats a sweet picture!!

I hear ya! We had several races this year where we fought 8-10' breakers in our F2 Outerlimits. BIG air time to say the least!

POPRA has photos up now of that race (finally).
http://www.pacificoffshore.com/ventu...uraphotos.html

Nort (aka Universal Chaos) :D :D :D :D :D

The talk of Boat #1 and #2 sounds like these are the first two boats ever rigged and they are still learning how to step the bottom. There is no mention of Bob Teagues' yellow boat. His boat seems to run just fine as opposed to always seeing the Ettore nose high (and sometimes nose under :eek: ). Why is it so hard to setup a boat when there is one out there that seems to be running perfect.

G

Interesting point

Teague has rolled his boat too.

Gary, I think it has to do with the inline motor set up of the ettore boats. Teagues boat runs good. Theres plenty of racers that have rolled their boats. I don't think it has to do with the boat builder when you are talking about racing. It's conditions, drivers error, speeds, etc.

I didnt get to look inside the ettore boat in KW, but i must say the wiesmann drives (spelling) looked nothing short of awesome, which took some engineering to make work. i think you should be able to run what ever drive you like. it brings new designs to the sport. and does not give the monopoly to one manufacture as is the case presently.
by the way glad youre doing well Ryan.

Thanks Pete today is the first day out and about since the accident but they switched my pain medicine so I am doing much better. I totally agree about allowing any drive especially since in the long run some surface driver a cheaper becuase much less maintnence.

I would like to see the Weissman drive for the outboards I hear form my T-man they would be the ticket but are not allowed for our app.
Doug
eMotion Racing

Ryan,
Hope all is going well. Let's catch up at the Miami show if you are there.

Cigarette 1 and Tank:... Teague's boat rolled and sank in Benecia 2 years ago, he re-configured the bottom (at Eddie Marentz's shop)and it is an improvment, but he still gets lapped by the Fountains with #6's, did you see the boat at the Worlds last year ?. The boat still does not want to turn at all..he spends a lot of time on set up, and he is good at it.. still a very Ill-Handeling piece..(also still has supercharged engines in it, not class legal)

Ryan Beckley:... I don't know why you don't limit your posts to information about the Ettoree Boat, but instead have taken up a personal atack on me...which you started..., so I feel compelled to respond to the last piece of literary genius you spewed out...I did some reasearch on you with some friends in Florida who know you very well...

Responding to your unprovolked assault as follows:

"Hey Greg "Herman the German"...

I have no idea what that means and can only guess that this is some sort of derogitory reference to my last name sounding German and Jewish...do your friends know your an anti-semite ?.. better not Race with APBA, primarily owned by a Jewish man.

"Ive got a lot of trophies and checkered flags in my house"

I'm told that is true.... BUT THEY ARE FROM BICYCLE RACING, not Powerboat racing..

"As for my credibility in racing, if you do your homework, you would know"..

Your credibility in Offshore racing is I am told is non-existant, I can't criticize your performance because you don't have one to criticize, not in this sport anyway.

"I would have rather taken Danny Mac's approach of a 6 lite than blowing up drives every race"

This comment agains shows your need to just write something down to be a part of the group without engaging whatever brian cells you might have... First of all, "Danny Mac's approach" produced a top speed in Raoul's (and then Kip's) boat the of around 85 MPH the best day, in ideal conditions with the 6A Lite. It was a decent rought water set-up. My Phantom, along with Jerry Sorrentinos and Fred Inman's ran in excess of 101 MPH in the Kilo's in late 1999(all Bravo Driven). The "Danny Mac" setup was never in the game, except in very rough water.

"You showed you can't throttle"

I guess we all have opinions about each others throttling ability. Like I said, I have no opinion about yours since your not an OFFSHORE racer and have no history to look at, but maybe the people you injured (including yourself) rolling your pleasure Skater the other weekend have an opinion on your throttling abilities....

"you didn't care about wasting your Sponsors money"

You don't know me (even thought you say you do)and you have absolutely idea what I do or don't care about, or what my multiple Sponsor's did or did not care about. But since you feel the need write about things you have no clue about, I'll respond. I consistently produced higher return on investment numbers for my Sponsors than any other team in the Sport. Smart money says that someone of your caliber would not even begin to know how to calculate those figures, so I won't waste my time explaining the math to you.

"I did not buy my way in"

We agree on that one..... your not in.... and according to what I am told, never have been.. but more to the point, have you looked around at any races recently ?.. this sport is ALL ABOUT buying your way in, and that is what the most competative, most successful teams do and have done.

"No one likes you"

Completly innacurate....it may possibly be true that no one YOU KNOW likes me, but here is a shocker for you Ryan, I'm not looking to win a popularity contest, and from the sound if it I would have no interest in engaging in a conversation with anyone you call a friend anyway if they share your same values system and need to pontificate about subjects you have zero knowledge of, I have a long list of friends in teh Sport, some of the most well known names and most acomplished Racers, just becuase you are not aware of those relationships does not mean that they don't exist, its painfully obvious that your not aware of too many things.

"Surface drives were always legal"

Your wrong again (how shocking). They were specifically prohibited until late 1996, then in early 1997 they were allowed in (I was already committed to the Barvo in my project)primarily because of the Buzzi boat. To be honest, I can't imagine why I would even consider for one monent that you would know that.

This is my last post in this thread that will not be exclusively about the Ettoree Boat.

P.S.... Sean... you asked me to "lighten up"... so I did....

GR