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Old 04-24-2007, 05:01 PM
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On the enforcability side, CA will just issue "fix it" tickets if they think you're non-compliant. The burden of proof will be on the boater to prove compliance.

And most of the ocean boating is done out of relatively narrow inlets in CA. It is very common for the "fun police" to hang out as we're leaving the harbor and give us a good once over. As I understand it, most go-fast guys that run in and out of Newport get bit for something like $250 leaving and $250 coming back every time the run their "over-sound-limit" boats.
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CARB doesn't care about business. They don't care about jobs. They have one thing in mind, and that's emission controls, and making their organization bigger and more powerful by regulating anything and everything..

And for those who think this will not affect them, because they don't live in California, I'm sure everyone thought the same thing in 1965 about auto emissions standards. The Federal EPA has already indicated they adobt the California standards.

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Arnold does care about business and has done alot to not only attract new relocations, they also have created expansion programs as well. Proving this not only how stupid, as in high performance boating emissions are currently low impact towards the enviroment. But also the effects this will have on boating; Arnold and his government may listen! Taking a stand in California, will stop the feds as well!!!!
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Arnold does care about business and has done alot to not only attract new relocations, they also have created expansion programs as well. Proving this not only how stupid, as in high performance boating emissions are currently low impact towards the enviroment. But also the effects this will have on boating; Arnold and his government may listen! Taking a stand in California, will stop the feds as well!!!!
Anyone counting on Arnold, hasn't seen the "new Arnold". He is in the right pocket of the environmental special interests, and completely shafted the classic car people in this state. Even Jay Leno couldn't change his mind.

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Even Jay Leno couldn't change his mind.

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Not into cars as much anymore, dont read car mags, so not sure what Cali and Arnold has done.

For business though in certain area's, like agriculture and manufacturing, state and economic growth zoned county's (depressed) have very attractive incentive's. Enough that I'm moving my business to Northern Cali...... Do know that Arnold does lean a little too left on the enviroment for my taste.

For business Cali because of Arnold is correcting alot of the mistakes made under liberals; making it very attractive to conduct business there.

example: http://www.fresnoedc.com/businessservices/
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Anyone counting on Arnold, hasn't seen the "new Arnold". He is in the right pocket of the environmental special interests, and completely shafted the classic car people in this state. Even Jay Leno couldn't change his mind.

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He is definitely no longer a "republican" not that republicans are the greatest.

I agree with you Michael. If the the only propulsion is going to be a Mercury Marine product, that would take most of the boating desire out for a lot of us. Not to ding Mercury but look at all the great variety and competition we have at out disposal now.
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Cali has gotten the feds to mandate tougher emissions controls, including cats, on weedeaters ad chainsaws.. If you think they wont go after the boaters your dreaming..
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On the enforcability side, CA will just issue "fix it" tickets if they think you're non-compliant. The burden of proof will be on the boater to prove compliance.....
Wouldn't they just implement an annual inspection sticker policy much like cars?
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can somebody please tell me why carb and the epa has not been sued because of this **** . they have more power that pres dumb ass has. they say jump and every body does why have they not been stoped .. i for one am tired of the govment telling me what i can do . free country my ass .
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can somebody please tell me why carb and the epa has not been sued because of this **** . they have more power that pres dumb ass has. they say jump and every body does why have they not been stoped .. i for one am tired of the govment telling me what i can do . free country my ass .
Go spend 20 minutes in India or China - you'll appreciate what the EPA does and why we aren't allowed to heat our homes with burning tires...
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I hate CARB with a passion, and I hate government regulations in general nearly as much.

But I want fuel efficiency, and this is the only thing I can see driving efficiency.

Look at Indmars new 350 with a cat and closed-loop fuel injection. 38% better efficiency at idle than a comparable open-loop fuel injected engine.

Bring on emisisons regs, I say.

There is no good reason that carbureted marine engines are still being manufactured, but this is the only thing I can see to end carburetors for good.

I do hope it doesn't go as far as emissions testing, though. I highly doubt Michigan would ever implement marine emissions testing, though, given that we don't even have to have our cars checked.
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