Holy S**T!
 

As a paid member of Team Baja Marine I was kicked off for stating facts on the Baja 277 making one of the boats of the year..... Only after I agreed to post up all the invoices I have paid out of pocket to fix warranty items that Marine Max was not capable of....

Please tell me if I am wrong informing the public with proof of problems with the boat that their dealer network cannnot take care off???


BTW he threaten to hit me with a brick... I guess cause he is to much of a panzy to just go toe to toe...

"You are to ****ing far gone, man! If I had a brick, I would bang it upside your head as you are on thick sum *****."



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what were the issues with the boat? Was it Baja or was it Mercruiser?

I dont really understand what it is your saying. You got fired for posting up invoices showing how much you paid out of pocket to have stuff fixed that should have been warrantied on a boat that was the "boat of the year"?

Team Baja Marine is a Baja only website, kind of in the same vein as this one. Who threatned to hit you with a brick? Someone from TBM or MarineMax? I smell a legal issue here since I'm assuming you bought a new boat.

"You are to ****ing far gone, man! If I had a brick, I would bang it upside your head as you are on thick sum *****. --- This is from TBM

I am trying to take my complaint up with Baja --- ask Tonya and Baja how many calls she has gotten. YOU have a website dedicated to Baja... If you can't handle the fact that the boat is not perfect and people should know that is not my problem.... The boat was rated boat of the year.... Don't you think people should hear from owners?[/quote]

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bahahahahahahaha!!!!










couldnt resist:D

No that is funny! That will teach me to buy an entry level boat with no support after the sale! :eek:

ohhhhhhhhhhhh, i thought you were a PAID member of BAJA and they fired you.. i get it.. they kicked you off a forum for talkin smack about a boat you bought that you were not happy with.. that makes more sense.. hell, i woulda posted too..

I guess it depends on who pays you better to put the knee pads on for proper servicing.....

????

Yep, sounds like typical Blake. Seems as if he hasn't changed a bit.

Now hold on.

Chris I don't know you, and I know how Blake can be at times. But you started hijacking a thread about the 277 as the Runabout Of The Year. You were asked to take your complaints to the proper section of the forum, and you persisted in causing trouble.

I am sorry to hear you are having problems. I think it has more to do with the dealer you got the boat from, not Baja. I hope they will be better able to take care of you.

Yes I was trying to figure out how the boat of the year was giving me so many problems that the local dealer can't fix. Some of the problems are the Baja and one of them is the Mercury.

I also said I would sell the boat for 30K less than I paid for it and that is when some idiot talked a little smack and I told him to put up the cash to buy the boat or go away! I think people needing to hear the problems on a boat that is " boat of the year" is very relevant to the thread.

One last thing he posted that thread in two different areas. One was to the award and he specified the other thread on it was for people to comment on.......

Ck with Articfriends [smitty] he had some issues with Baja

It is very common for new boats to have problems. Something like 40% of all boats break down on their maiden voyage. We had problems with our brand new sea ray sundeck, which was bought from MarineMax (lewisville). I don't think this is anything bad on Baja's overall.

I think that everything happens for a reason so this may just be a sign for you to sell that baja and upgrade to a better boat. Lick your wounds and be on your way, these things usually happen for the better. Sell that Lemon of a powerboat and go buy that 30 ft Mystique in dallas for under $100K. I promise you will never care about Baja or their BS website ever again and you can get on to enjoying boats instead of stressing over them.

Link: http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/7/86249647.htm

Give the boat back and buy a new one!!:eureka:

Since you seem to be avoiding this, I'll ask too. What was the issue with the boat? Why couldn't the dealer fix it?

Not avoiding just didn't have much time on the computer today.

1st day swim platform is broken because dealer lifted the boat wrong.
Step to climb in boat broke the first day
Drive trim tab indicator broke in the first couple of hours -- This is what it went to the shop 6Xs for and they could not figure it out. Also they lied to me and said they had replaced it. Turns out you have to pull the drive to replace this and the shop I paid out of pocket showed me where it had not been done before.
We have some mystery electrical issue that when you shut the boat off sometimes it will not restart unless you trip and reset some of the breakers.


Chris


There are more issues relating to Marine Max concerning a boat I purchased from them prior and traded in on this one but we won't get into that as it doesn't really have anything to do with the issues on this boat.

Wish I could. No lemon laws for watercraft. I even offered to trade it back to them and buy a 30 outlaw but they said they would only give me 72K for a boat that cost me 104K out the door! BTW -- I wouldn't be getting rid the boat if it worked so that was really adding insult to injury!

Very nice boat! Find someone to buy my brand new POS and I will buy that one! I already have a slip and a lift that will hold it!

Chris

wow
 

104 new 72 trade in sounds like a baha !

What?!?! What's in it for power?...Options?

104 for a 27' Baja??? Holy sht!

Boy, have things changed since I had mine. Not too long ago a 25OL or a 272 - essentially the same - would cost around 55 very nicely equipped.

sad to here, my 88 had delam in 91 after 3yrs in the bulkhead in front of the motor and the dealer told me not to worry back then it was nothing:rolleyes: I don't go to tbm its a joke:rolleyes:

Ad says offered by Sewell Marine. Maybe they would take a trade.

That boat is actually at Cherokee yacht club, home of E- Dock! Dump the poj and come up and buy it, we will show you an awesome time!!:evilb: :evilb:

I'm a mod on a lot of sites, at least 10 unpaid and 1 as a paid MODERATOR, and your actions on TBM were uncalled for, there is a place to post up such commentary in the complaint section. From what I read, you refused to do that, and thus were booted, plain and simple.

-mike

new boats are big money now days, even smaller single engine boats can hit 100G's and more, I bought a new 2000 model h2x from marine max, it took them 5 tries to fix a problem with water getting in the boat, I found the problem which was simple, Baja put an anchor locker drain on the bow of the boat, but the h2x does not have a front anchor compartment, so the drain in the front part of the bow connected to nothing letting water in, they removed it and gel coated the area, but the match was not that good,

100% agreed Mike

Chris

And just as an FYI I've had my run-ins and disagreements with TBM as well, so this isn't just a love-fest for TBM, I've called Blake out on things which were unfair, but in this case, he is actually right.

No different than someone posting in the Electronics and Lighting section asking how to fix their outdrive!

-mike

Is this the extent of your problems?
Swim platform broken by dealer (I'm assuming now fixed by dealer?).
Broken step. Is this now fixed?
Trim tab indicator. Sounds like fixed at your expense by another boat dealer.
Electrical issue. Sounds like not fixed.

Okay, if I had those problems with a brand new boat I'd be dissapointed. If the dealer jerked me around I'd be p!ssed.
I'd deffinately contact Baja for a resolution but probably try a different dealer to see if they could help. Or contact Marine Max corporate. The local Marine Max here is very good and took care of a warranty issue I had with a new boat I purchased elsewhere.

I've had three Baja's and haven't had any real problems, maybe I've been lucky. I had a Cigarette that I had a ton of problems with and dumped a ton of $ into. I still would never call any of my boats a POS, especially if you're trying to sell it! The problems you have don't sound major. Annoying, inconvenient, even troublesom but doesn't seem like enough to call it a POS. Sounds like more of a lack of customer support from the dealer issue.

I have been working with Marine Max and Baja since Jan to get the items fixed. I say a P.O.S. because what good is a boat that the dealer tells you well we got some of the stuff to work out of water! Damn... I know I purchased my boat to keep on the trailer. Also you would think being this is my second boat I have purchased from them they would step up and put a little more into it so I could trade it for something that works seeing that these problems aren't a result of anything I have done besides buying their product.

They offer me 72K trade in on a boat with 20 hours that hasn't worked right from day one! Again the boat was 104K out the door. So not only does the boat not perform it loses 30% of it's value in 20 hours??? That is a POS!

Had I known a new boat was going to be such a pain in the ass I would have just purchased used and then if something breaks I don't feel bad paying money out of my pocket for things that should be warranty......

I hear ya, I bought used! :D

Again, sounds like mostly dealer issues. They are deffinately boning you on the trade in and probably did on the purchase too.

Marine Max is a big outfit and I would think their corporate offices would try to address this. Have you contacted them? They send me a fancy magazine and do a lot of promotion stuff so you'd think they would be concerned about their dealers. Hit their website and see if there is anothe MM dealer near you and contact them. If they can't help then I'd write a letter to the president of MM.

Chris,

I am just curious so don't take this the wrong way. Every test I have read of the 277 shows an average MSRP of between $102-104000 with the 496HO and all the nice options. I also show this in my Baja MSRP guide for the boat. So, given the normal markup in a Baja, it probably could have been bought for around the mid to upper 70's. (roughly 20-25% off)

How did you get out the door for over 100 grand? Was there a trade in involved that you were upside down in?

Just curious...

No free speech in a privately owned forum and most if not all have spell out the terms of use, that you agree to when joining.

Not a good thing for creating customer satisfaction. I had a upper control arm go on my Navigator, was 2 to 5 miles out of warrenty when it happened. Dealer said Ford denied the warrenty claim. Phoned Ford and they covered it, I'm no longer a customer of the dealer, Ford however at least towards me they did right.

Baja should realize they are human, anything made by us may have some problem. If I owned Baja the company would try my best to ensure that the customer is satisfied. Not create further dissatisfaction......

WTF, this BS has absolutely nothing to do with free speech .....

The TBM website is NOT operated by Baja, but a private individual who has an established sponsorship relationship with Baja. Like every other private business, TBM has policies and proceedures to which users must adhere when using its forum and bandwidth.

There is, and has always been a COMPLAINTS section on TBM which is the appropriate forum for members to discuss any problems with their Baja. Common sense would dictate that a NEWS & ANNOUNCEMENTS section would not be an ideal location to complain about a recent purchase.

All of this BS relates to childish antics, especially since it appears that Baja customer service had not even been contacted prior to creating these TBM bashing threads.

By the way, I'm really pissed at OSO ..... the price of gas is way too high :cool:

You sound like the kind of guy that would turn Chris in on a forum. I disagree about this being a childish antic. You shouldn't have to contact Baja customer service directly, in my opinion the dealer should wait on you hand and foot if you buy a brand new boat. The guy has a right to be pizzed. If he wants to vent a little - then he can go right on ahead. I would probobly do the same thing. In my opinion its a lot more entertaining then a birthday or a where is joe blow- who gives a Sh**t thread. I also think that a lot of people may be interested in which dealers to buy a boat from and which not too. MarineMax in Arlington, TX, has done a horrible job and his voice should be heard.

But, Chris - maybe try not to be so negative.

Everybody that has posted in this sight has a point. The forum sights are here so we as boat owners can get with other others and talk about their good times, bad times, how to make it better and any bi***ing that may come up. When you have a problem with a new boat you take it to the dealer, if that don't work then you take it to the manufactorer. As a new boat dealer, I can tell you, customer service is where its at. If you can't help the customer for whatever reason then they( the dealership) should be equipped to help the owner find a outside source to rectifiy the problem or problems. I agree with Still Haulen. There is a place for everything in these forum sights. To bypass the complaint section and go to a general discussion hoping for the right person to hear it is a waste of time and effort on Chris's part. Not when one call to the BAJA may have cleared it up quick fast and in a hurry.

I happen to agree with you, he does have many reasons to be pissed, however why wasn't his "gripe" posted on the dealers website?

Why start all this BS and start bashing TBM, which happens to be the only website that the Baja people actually monitor consistantly. There is even a section which is wholly dedicated to complaints and problems associated with its member's Baja.

Bottom line, this whole silly episode has nothing whatsoever to do with Baja Marine or even with TBM,
it's solely about having a tantrum over not getting one's own way.

I said you cant say whatever you want on a private forum, break their rules and they can boot you.

If a dealer gives you a hassle call the manufactuer and if they dont help you. Then drop them as well as the dealer. I kind of defended Baja, anything made by us humans can and does have problem's. Nobody is perfect did Jordan miss shots? Does Tiger Woods play a bad round of golf? Both those guy's do have off days. Does'nt mean they are bad at their respective sports........

Well......... maybe a tantrum and a not so good dealership. Good points.

Hot dayum its Friday and I'm going to the lake for the first time this summer.