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Old 09-30-2007, 09:29 PM
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This argument could go on adinfinitum, but one thing is for sure, all the water on the earth today has been here before the caveman, its just moved to different places and in different forms (gas, liquid and solid). Its been reused for every conceivable purpose man can think of and can be cleaned up and used over and over again. Think I'll go have a beer...
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:11 AM
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NOTE: Several companies are developing plants to take salt water and through osmosis turn it to drinking water. Right now it is not cost effective, but it is getting really ,really close. once this technology is ready for commercial use water issues will go away. It appears the technology is three to 5 years out.
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my company specializes in consulting with water districts throughout the US to help meet their demands, wether it be new construction and booming growth or ever-changing water sources. Want my opinion? Nothing we are doing is changing the worlds climate. The same water that was here when the dinosaurs were is still around in one form or another. We WILL NOT run out of water, its the largest resource in the WORLD. The technology is there to be able to make it potable, but the days of $18 water bills are about to be gone. I harp on my customers EVERY DAY to start raising their prices.. if you saw how small of a budget these plants have to work on, you'd be amazed that they can produce the quality of water that you have. And 9 times out of 10, that quality is substandard... Reverse Osmosis at the tap along with desalinzation is the future of home water. Commerical water users will probably have to invest in their own small systems to lower turbidity and make it more usable.
LA right now is reviewing a plan to recycle 70% of their sewage back into their aquifers and water table.. not a bad idea...
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:41 PM
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I believe the island of Aruba (extremely arid climate) has been utilizing desalinization/reverse osmosis for its potable water supply for at least a decade now; they have an abundance of seawater.- the technology has been available for quite some time.
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WaterBoy is right. It seems like we are in the same industry. I work for a company that manages water and wastewater districts. Water districts are very poorly funded and more and more restrictions are placed on them everyday by the EPA. But water reclamation is the best way to recharge aquafers and wells. A lot of our projects we have out west have used this method for a while. But Global Warming IS NOT caused by man. It is a natural occuring process. It is just now being used as political agenda. It the 70's they were talking about global cooling.
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"I also like to drink my urine, because it is sterile...and it tastes good" Dodgeball....What we have to do is protect us from ourselves, we need to make sure we keep the water clean, I don't mean everything, but Mercury, Lead, acids and such need to be captured and disposed of properly. We need to relax and just use the earth and enjoy it, like pump the water, pump the oil and tap areas we haven't because of tree huggers. You know what the problem is??? The generation that controls this process and for the most part everything with their numbers, wealth and experience is the baby boomers. That's great, no problems here with that but this generation buys autos and stores them for the future, rarely if ever use them and just cover them up and walk away. Now our generation, the next in line to take over....we buy the car or truck and drive it, we use our stuff, take care of it and always change it with custom stuff but we use it, we just can't put it away. So that is where we come to now....figure out a way to use all this stuff and keep it going for at least another 50 years, keep the price the same or lower...... then piss on it, it's someone else's problem......





















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now that means I'm just screwing around.... again, the same.
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Makes me glad I live in a place with 10,000 fresh water lakes
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Anybody see inconvenient truth? The problem is real ,the politicians don't want to admit it. Every scientist agrees the problem is real. It effects different areas in different ways. Don't expect a significant cool down ever again. How many problems go away when you close your eyes? I like to burn gas as much as any one. And China's water problems are huge. Parts of Australia are in stage 6 restrictions. Its against the law to have a hose. We are pretty lucky here so far.
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Dude, turn off the fiction channel, get some facts. The problem is that people are listening to their idiot, hysterical, $$$-fueled politicians and journalists - and not the real scientists!!

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WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.

Other researchers found evidence that 3) sea levels are failing to rise importantly; 4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer and milder with this warming as they did during previous global warmings; 5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees, birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine reality of changing climate.

Despite being published in such journals such as Science, Nature and Geophysical Review Letters, these scientists have gotten little media attention. "Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as global warming skeptics," said Avery, "but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see."

The names were compiled by Avery and climate physicist S. Fred Singer, the co-authors of the new book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, mainly from the peer-reviewed studies cited in their book. The researchers' specialties include tree rings, sea levels, stalagmites, lichens, pollen, plankton, insects, public health, Chinese history and astrophysics.

"We have had a Greenhouse Theory with no evidence to support it-except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose results have never been verified with real-world events," said co-author Singer. "On the other hand, we have compelling evidence of a real-world climate cycle averaging 1470 years (plus or minus 500) running through the last million years of history. The climate cycle has above all been moderate, and the trees, bears, birds, and humans have quietly adapted."

"Two thousand years of published human histories say that the warm periods were good for people," says Avery. "It was the harsh, unstable Dark Ages and Little Ice Age that brought bigger storms, untimely frost, widespread famine and plagues of disease." "There may have been a consensus of guesses among climate model-builders," says Singer. "However, the models only reflect the warming, not its cause." He noted that about 70 percent of the earth's post-1850 warming came before 1940, and thus was probably not caused by human-emitted greenhouse gases. The net post-1940 warming totals only a tiny 0.2 degrees C.

The historic evidence of the natural cycle includes the 5000-year record of Nile floods, 1st-century Roman wine production in Britain, and thousands of museum paintings that portrayed sunnier skies during the Medieval Warming and more cloudiness during the Little Ice Age. The physical evidence comes from oxygen isotopes, beryllium ions, tiny sea and pollen fossils, and ancient tree rings. The evidence recovered from ice cores, sea and lake sediments, cave stalagmites and glaciers has been analyzed by electron microscopes, satellites, and computers. Temperatures during the Medieval Warming Period on California's Whitewing Mountain must have been 3.2 degrees warmer than today, says Constance Millar of the U.S. Forest Service, based on her study of seven species of relict trees that grew above today's tree line.

Singer emphasized, "Humans have known since the invention of the telescope that the earth's climate variations were linked to the sunspot cycle, but we had not understood how. Recent experiments have demonstrated that more or fewer cosmic rays hitting the earth create more or fewer of the low, cooling clouds that deflect solar heat back into space-amplifying small variations in the intensity of the sun.

Avery and Singer noted that there are hundreds of additional peer-reviewed studies that have found cycle evidence, and that they will publish additional researchers' names and studies. They also noted that their book was funded by Wallace O. Sellers, a Hudson board member, without any corporate contributions.
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I suppose some of us have never heard of "The Dust Bowl," the Great Drought of the '30s and '40s.

Nope, let's ignore history. It must be Global Warming, they said so on the news.
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A 500' deep well took care of my problems, 50 gal+ per minute.
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