What would you do? Bunk survey?
10-14-2007 | 09:45 AM
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A big lesson to be learned by this chit ,the last 3 boats i have bought (and over 400k+) never started them,did a sea trial,or crawled under them. looked at pics & video (1 even from a dealer) and problems with all .Even with a marine surveyor and a clean bill of health 1 needed 57,000.00 in repair .Seems this glass & wet wood is a major problem in the boating world. Never again after this last one we will always have a survey and still pay knowledgeble people to check em out & cant always rely on the sellers word.
Talk about feelin like a DUMMY
Talk about feelin like a DUMMY
10-14-2007 | 11:16 AM
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Just re-read your original thread starter.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
10-14-2007 | 12:38 PM
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And this is why I chose Ed Cozzi to do my survey and I will have him do any other boat I buy as well.....The man knows his sh!t. 
Just re-read your original thread starter.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
10-14-2007 | 02:46 PM
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Read the threads jerk off--the buyer is unable to do so, why would you voice such an ignorant opinion? The point of a survey is to determine any problems that you as the buyer wouldn't know or can't pick up.
10-14-2007 | 02:51 PM
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Just re-read your original thread starter.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
Soft cabin or cockpit soles were covered in "Surveying 101".
Twenty years experience? Of doing what...ASSUMING? If the cracks in the bottom are dripping water, a Skipper Tramex non-invasive moisture meter would have woken up the neighborhood telling everybody there's a trapped moisture problem and probable wood rot. As a surveyor you cannot be in a hurry to finish one boat to get to another. No matter how good the boat LOOKS, a surveyor cannot be lulled into a false sense that the boat doesn't have hidden problems that take a little more trouble to locate.
I'm going to write a book that's going to become the surveyor's bible like Chapman's is to Seamanship!
These damn motoryacht and sportfisherman surveyors have no business even looking at a high performance boat! There are a few local survey houses that think I'm a real ***** because I told them this. Several others use me when they get one and they are not embarrassed by a surveyor that doesn't understand these boats at all.
10-14-2007 | 03:59 PM
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(I need to stop talking about it and actually write my book.).
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Nobody wins in a situation like this. You're going to potentially spend thousands of dollars to rebuild that cabin sole and possibly the stringer and lateral bulkhead system, unless you are in that business and can do it yourself. The soft floor is usually just the tip of the iceberg in situations like this.
10-15-2007 | 07:41 AM
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last one I had done the moisture meter was run all over the hull including inside the bilge and around all cleats and deck fittings guy spent over a hour just on moisture checking.
Why with extent of the damage are you so sure seller did not know?
You need to hit back real hard as fast as you can ask seller if this was such a honest mistake to pay for repairs ot take it back
Why with extent of the damage are you so sure seller did not know?
You need to hit back real hard as fast as you can ask seller if this was such a honest mistake to pay for repairs ot take it back
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10-15-2007 | 09:25 AM
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Too late for your friend, but...
Always ask for an insurance certificate from your surveyor's Errors and Omissions underwriter. If he can't provide one, look elsewhere.
Everyone we do work for requires an insurance cert. Everyone we contract for ANYTHING gives us one. There's no reason to deal with anyone who is uninsured.
I'd go easy with the surveyor at first- if he's uninsured, he's probably judgment-proof (i.e. he has nothing). Most likely though he's not going to do anything but pass on his fee. I'd ask him about his E&O coverange and see what he says. If the seller will help you that's great. You'll probably spend more in legal fees than what the repair will cost if you did decide to sue him. You'll be paying for the repairs out-of-pocket anyway as it may be some time before you even see a judgment, let alone collect on it.
Whatever you're going to do, you should probably get a re-survey by a good surveyor. You'll need this to know what to fix and to establish the existing damage if you choose to litigate.
Always ask for an insurance certificate from your surveyor's Errors and Omissions underwriter. If he can't provide one, look elsewhere.
Everyone we do work for requires an insurance cert. Everyone we contract for ANYTHING gives us one. There's no reason to deal with anyone who is uninsured.
I'd go easy with the surveyor at first- if he's uninsured, he's probably judgment-proof (i.e. he has nothing). Most likely though he's not going to do anything but pass on his fee. I'd ask him about his E&O coverange and see what he says. If the seller will help you that's great. You'll probably spend more in legal fees than what the repair will cost if you did decide to sue him. You'll be paying for the repairs out-of-pocket anyway as it may be some time before you even see a judgment, let alone collect on it.
Whatever you're going to do, you should probably get a re-survey by a good surveyor. You'll need this to know what to fix and to establish the existing damage if you choose to litigate.
Last edited by Chris Sunkin; 10-15-2007 at 10:33 AM.
