What would you do? Bunk survey?
10-22-2007 | 10:03 AM
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WTF? As much as it hurts id make the buyer happy .
I know its used and as is and shown but WOW
I know its used and as is and shown but WOW
Oh and definitely jack it to the surveyor to the best of your legal abilities. He needs to feel some pain or else the next victim of his shoddy work lays waiting.
10-22-2007 | 01:00 PM
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Ouch - what a mess.
1) The repair quote sounds way too low. I would think atleast 2 to 3X what you have listed
2) If it does only cost $1,800 to fix - then its not worth lawyering up.
I would get another survey and find out exactly what you are getting yourself into. If its the worst then just auction it off with a list of repairs and cut your losses short.
1) The repair quote sounds way too low. I would think atleast 2 to 3X what you have listed
2) If it does only cost $1,800 to fix - then its not worth lawyering up.
I would get another survey and find out exactly what you are getting yourself into. If its the worst then just auction it off with a list of repairs and cut your losses short.
10-23-2007 | 07:08 AM
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That's hardly worth talking to a lawyer about. Go to small claims court and take 50% (small claims almost always settled disputes in the King Solomon fashion)
it sounds like you got this repair quote from a body shop. There's a reason good marinas don't repaint Buicks and for that same reason you need to have this boat looked at by a marine fiberglass specialist. It's not cosmetic damage if water leaks into the boat. If it was hit hard enough to crack the glass to the extent that it leaks, it may have also hit hard enough to pop a stringer loose. It didn't sound from your description that the boat suffered some impact with an object so that leaves a hard landing resulting in structural damaage. Most likely the cabin interior will have to be partly to mostly removed to do this fix. That's going to cost some serious coin.
it sounds like you got this repair quote from a body shop. There's a reason good marinas don't repaint Buicks and for that same reason you need to have this boat looked at by a marine fiberglass specialist. It's not cosmetic damage if water leaks into the boat. If it was hit hard enough to crack the glass to the extent that it leaks, it may have also hit hard enough to pop a stringer loose. It didn't sound from your description that the boat suffered some impact with an object so that leaves a hard landing resulting in structural damaage. Most likely the cabin interior will have to be partly to mostly removed to do this fix. That's going to cost some serious coin.
You're wrong in your assumption. This is a boat fiberglass shop that gave the estimate. All the boats he had sitting around looked pretty damn good, no waves that I could see.
10-26-2007 | 12:37 PM
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As far as I understand the story...typing from my desk while I eat lunch here at the Motherhouse.
(Subway. Yum. Somebody should start a subway thread.)
Anywho....
The last person who was perfect had a son who was nailed to a cross. He was human like us, got tempted and fell down just like us, therefore had to suffer pain like us, die like us, the bonus that he (and us too) got was the Resurrection.
When He became "perfect" He was divine, not human.
His mom on the other hand, was born with an Immaculate Heart and without sin. Her grace was the reason that she was chosen. She was assumed directly into Heaven. This date is celebrated on August 15th as the Feast of the Assumption of Mary.
Mary was the only "perfect human."
Great trivia question.
Next issue: will it help sell your boat if you put a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the bilge?
(Subway. Yum. Somebody should start a subway thread.)
Anywho....
The last person who was perfect had a son who was nailed to a cross. He was human like us, got tempted and fell down just like us, therefore had to suffer pain like us, die like us, the bonus that he (and us too) got was the Resurrection.
When He became "perfect" He was divine, not human.
His mom on the other hand, was born with an Immaculate Heart and without sin. Her grace was the reason that she was chosen. She was assumed directly into Heaven. This date is celebrated on August 15th as the Feast of the Assumption of Mary.
Mary was the only "perfect human."
Great trivia question.
Next issue: will it help sell your boat if you put a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the bilge?
10-26-2007 | 08:41 PM
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As far as I understand the story...typing from my desk while I eat lunch here at the Motherhouse.
(Subway. Yum. Somebody should start a subway thread.)
Anywho....
The last person who was perfect had a son who was nailed to a cross. He was human like us, got tempted and fell down just like us, therefore had to suffer pain like us, die like us, the bonus that he (and us too) got was the Resurrection.
When He became "perfect" He was divine, not human.
His mom on the other hand, was born with an Immaculate Heart and without sin. Her grace was the reason that she was chosen. She was assumed directly into Heaven. This date is celebrated on August 15th as the Feast of the Assumption of Mary.
Mary was the only "perfect human."
Great trivia question.
Next issue: will it help sell your boat if you put a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the bilge?
(Subway. Yum. Somebody should start a subway thread.)
Anywho....
The last person who was perfect had a son who was nailed to a cross. He was human like us, got tempted and fell down just like us, therefore had to suffer pain like us, die like us, the bonus that he (and us too) got was the Resurrection.
When He became "perfect" He was divine, not human.
His mom on the other hand, was born with an Immaculate Heart and without sin. Her grace was the reason that she was chosen. She was assumed directly into Heaven. This date is celebrated on August 15th as the Feast of the Assumption of Mary.
Mary was the only "perfect human."
Great trivia question.
Next issue: will it help sell your boat if you put a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the bilge?
10-26-2007 | 09:27 PM
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As a surveyor I hate reading stuff like this. Yes, we all have disclaimers in our paperwork because some buyers think that a survey is a guarantee that nothing will EVER go wrong with the boat.
I have a few questions.
1. Who recommended the surveyor?
2. Is the surveyor NAMS or SAMS affiliated?
3. Is this surveyor a high performance boat surveyor?
4. Is there a possibility the bottom damage was caused by launching or retrieving from the trailer?
In Wisconsin a surveyor was paid for a full hull survey, a sea trial and compression tests. Twenty-nine pages later of BS and the guy missed both gimbal rings totally worn-out, an exhaust manifold gasket leak, the fact that one of the Bravo outdrives was older than the boat, neither one had the first gear change upgrade and the bearings in the blower snouts were growling so loud it was a joke. There was nothing in the survey about the bad trim indicator cables either.
Your friend needed a better surveyor.
I have a few questions.
1. Who recommended the surveyor?
2. Is the surveyor NAMS or SAMS affiliated?
3. Is this surveyor a high performance boat surveyor?
4. Is there a possibility the bottom damage was caused by launching or retrieving from the trailer?
In Wisconsin a surveyor was paid for a full hull survey, a sea trial and compression tests. Twenty-nine pages later of BS and the guy missed both gimbal rings totally worn-out, an exhaust manifold gasket leak, the fact that one of the Bravo outdrives was older than the boat, neither one had the first gear change upgrade and the bearings in the blower snouts were growling so loud it was a joke. There was nothing in the survey about the bad trim indicator cables either.
Your friend needed a better surveyor.
What do think is better to use, a mosture meter or a hammer and a drill?
I cant remember but, which is the the creditable surveyor association NAMS or SAMS? My friend Group explained the difference a while ago to me. I cant remember thought. I do have to agree with you 100% while a surveyor might be great and no the ins and outs of a sea ray it doesnt mean he is the best qualified for a Hi-perf application.
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10-26-2007 | 10:11 PM
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Dear Atheist, I'm not Atheist , but I still don't know what he said has to do with this boat situation, or Mary , Joseph , Jesus, Reggie Fountain or the Statue of Liberty.
All jokes aside what is the moisture assesment on your friends boat.
I do feel for you both, I have friends and a father who are limited in their mobility and I would hate to see this happen to them.
In the spirit of boating there should be a way of making better deals on boats so that everyone isn't so gun shy. I would be scared to death to buy one of these perf. boats.
All jokes aside what is the moisture assesment on your friends boat.
I do feel for you both, I have friends and a father who are limited in their mobility and I would hate to see this happen to them.
In the spirit of boating there should be a way of making better deals on boats so that everyone isn't so gun shy. I would be scared to death to buy one of these perf. boats.
10-26-2007 | 10:12 PM
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Ed,
What do think is better to use, a mosture meter or a hammer and a drill?
I cant remember but, which is the the creditable surveyor association NAMS or SAMS? My friend Group explained the difference a while ago to me. I cant remember thought. I do have to agree with you 100% while a surveyor might be great and no the ins and outs of a sea ray it doesnt mean he is the best qualified for a Hi-perf application.
2 cents
Jr
What do think is better to use, a mosture meter or a hammer and a drill?
I cant remember but, which is the the creditable surveyor association NAMS or SAMS? My friend Group explained the difference a while ago to me. I cant remember thought. I do have to agree with you 100% while a surveyor might be great and no the ins and outs of a sea ray it doesnt mean he is the best qualified for a Hi-perf application.
2 cents
Jr
NAMS or SAMS are both good organizations for a surveyor to be aligned with. This doesn't guarantee that the surveyor knows about high performance, however.
Surveyors are not perfect and even the best miss items occasionally, but massive, blatant deficiencies are ridiculous. I swear the SAMS surveyor that surveyed my friend's Bullet in Wisconsin had never seen a Bravo outdrive before.
10-26-2007 | 10:39 PM
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You referred to the person doing the repair as a "body guy" Boats don't have bodies, automobiles do.
10-26-2007 | 10:53 PM
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Dear Atheist, I'm not Atheist , but I still don't know what he said has to do with this boat situation, or Mary , Joseph , Jesus, Reggie Fountain or the Statue of Liberty.
All jokes aside what is the moisture assesment on your friends boat.
I do feel for you both, I have friends and a father who are limited in their mobility and I would hate to see this happen to them.
In the spirit of boating there should be a way of making better deals on boats so that everyone isn't so gun shy. I would be scared to death to buy one of these perf. boats.
All jokes aside what is the moisture assesment on your friends boat.
I do feel for you both, I have friends and a father who are limited in their mobility and I would hate to see this happen to them.
In the spirit of boating there should be a way of making better deals on boats so that everyone isn't so gun shy. I would be scared to death to buy one of these perf. boats.
