Why Apache are so expensive?
 

Can someone TRY to explain or even convince me why APACHE are so expensive, even when they are 15-20 years old????

If you look in the classifieds here, if you compare with almost anything else, such as Cigarette, Seems or feels like they are always 150000$ and over!!!

WHY? WHY?? WHY???

Most are redone and have huge power.

Kinda like a rare muscle car?
Not very many made?

ben kramer.... drug running mystique... warpath video.... stupidity

There's some truth to all that for sure .... and all this internet hooplah don't hurt either !!!! One thing i have noticed lately .... the ones that have sold have come down DRASTICALLY in price to get sold ..... There is some mystique to some of them ..... and they do ride nice .... mostly because they are long and heavy for the most part .... the question ya really gotta ask yourself however is ..... "What's in a name ?"

Hey ... that gives me an idea for a thread ..... :D:cool-smiley-011::ernaehrung004:

Mine did not sell for a ridiculous price, and they are heavy and slow. But worth EVERY penny:cool:

Kind of like comparing a Z06 to an exotic sports car. A Z06 will probably out run the exotic, but you won't see 4 other exotics at the stoplight either.:hitfan::food-smiley-007:

Make an offer on one, regardless of price! You might be surprised. :D

asking asking asking....

but what's it take to sell?

The extra hundreds and hundreds of gallons of resin in them?! :D

your 1989 41 apache is for sale?

So true

That is exactly it. I had a guy come up to us at a poker run this spring and say that our Apache was his favorite boat at the event (it was the only Apache there with 120+ boats registered). That obviously made me feel great to know that somebody appreciated the boat and all the work that went into it and continues to go into it to maintain it. He said that our boat was like a unique muscle car while the new stuff was like a new sports car. It's funny that he used the same analogy you did.

The Apaches that are still around and in good shape have a lot of time, patience, love, sweat and money tied up in them, like a restored muscle car. The new boats require only the money to purchase them. It also requires more time and attention to maintain the older boats. It is truly a labor of love; otherwise nobody would own or maintain them. I think that's why, for the most part, Apache owners will not part with their boat for a low ball figure.

That is why I am where I am right now. When I listed the boat for sale this past spring I figured that 155-160 would be my absolute lowest number. My feeling was that if it sells at or above that number, great, but if it doesn’t sell at that number, that is fine too. I had a few offers below that number this summer that I refused, so it looks like the Apache is gonna stick around and undergo some changes. They are certainly unique boats that, in order to sell, require a unique person that appreciates them for what they are and somebody that is willing to take the time and spend the money required to maintain and operate them.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I have owned several new boats and have to say that I would be proud to own any of the newer boats out there, but I am equally proud of my old Apache.

I doubt if "Chief" is for sale, didn't they get it like month or so ago?

List price and sales price are two different things. You might be surprised what you can get one for. My 1995 36' is heavy and it is slow, however it is a caddy when you get in snotty water.

Two weeks ago after the OSS race was over at LOTO all of the spectator boats take off to head home within about an 8 minute window. On my way back to my condo I ran between 45-55 mph with my 18month old son sleeping on the back bench (He did have his pfd on and there was an adult seated next to him holding on to him in case I miss read a roller). He slept the whole way home (15 miles). While this was going on another one of my passengers commented on how funny it was that all of the baja owners couldn't keep their boats in the water and that they looked like corks bobby about in the ocean.

In addition to the apache heritage and history it was the safety associated with rough water that got me to really lookin at Apaches. We had a small child and we needed a boat that we could use safely in the roughest conditions at LOTO (otherwise we would be sitting at our dock each holiday weekend).

Everytime we use our 36' I comment on how smart we were to get an Apache.

Because they don't do this

:boat:


PS :worthless_without_p

Before I bought my 21 I looked at Scarabs,Pythons,Bajas,Velocitys,and Donzi's in the 21-22 foot range.
I opted for the Apache because; They are rare in this area,they are well built boats,they are heavy so they ride good,the name Apache with any other performance boater will instantly get a good conversation going, Bob Saccenti built it,and it just attracts attention!
I'm not a big money player. We were looking for something that would be fun on the lake that everyone did not have already.
Did I mention Bob Saccenti built it in 87 and I can still contact him for advice and troubleshooting?
I'm a sucker for cool old chit!
Jim

:D

I have owned a few boats and have had family that owned many some fast some not. What ever I owned I was always looking for another, reading threads on boats' looking in the classifides at boats, looking for somthing sometimes not knowing for what exactly, catching rides in different brands. Well now I just dont look anymore lost intrest. Most of the time I only search for Apache threads some tech stuff and for the most part thats it. I just sit here thinking for the last 20 minuites trying to explain why. I think its like what you see in a childs eyes and the slight shiver that runs through there body when given there first taste of ice cream.

I wanted that boat so bad, just couldn't do it,great deal.:D The ride---- the ride----- the ride Like you said everyone else is bounceing and banging while you could cruse and be sipping a martini. They may not be the fastest all the time but when it gets rough,,, they don't slow down.

I always liked those Indian boats. But.. again.. I like Indians to. :cool-smiley-027:

But for a bit lower price I got an Avanti. Also rare, also handles rough water, and not just a nother typ. go fast boat.
It would be nice to get some more speed out of this, and working on it.
:D

then, I guess we could say, according to what I've heard and know, that compared to other boats, an Apache rides smooth in rough water, just like a Formula compared to other performance brand. It's just that the Apache is a notch above all! Right?

Tell you what you ever come to s. Fl pm me. I will give you an ocean ride in some 6-8's and then you tell me if they are priced too high.;)

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I think a lot changes in rough water ride once you get into the 38'+ boats. You're dealing with not only the advantage of length (and improved CG because of it), but also considerably more weight which always improves the ride.
Most of the premier mfg's have great rides in the bigger lengths, but few can go down the path of offshore history.
The muscle car analogy is a good one; my 69 GTO is old school, and would get smoked by one of the 'wannabe' GTO's built from the last few years. You couldn't give me one of those new ones, and mine turns heads everywhere I go with it, something that can't be said for the wannabe.

It's not just length and weight that makes for a great ride.

Someone with technical knowledge should discuss the virtues of Kevlar and Carbon Fiber.

T

Think Shelby Cobra, Ferrari 288GTO, etc. - rare, fast, & loaded with heritage. Yes, there are many new or newer vehicles that are faster, but none with with that certain 'flare' of these rare, collectable & highly sought after exotics. Apache, the name and the boats, has attained over time what NO other manufacturer has been able to - a LEGEND. So many factors have built it, as previously mentioned - McManus, Saccenti, Kramer, drugs, crime, the Feds, speed, wins, ride, & the list keeps growing. Also, not many other boats retain their original christened names over time BUT several Apaches have been able to. Why? Perhaps because Apache owners take alot of pride in their ownership, rightfully so, and do so much to retain the authenticity and heritage of their boats. What price do you place on a certified Legend? I suppose it depends on how fat your bank acct is.

apache's have personality.
btw, t montana, i'll be in PB in Feb. hint hint... ;)

be careful what you say! I'm supposed to go to our house in Boynton beach in march 2008...

Tony Montana... I have to remember this name!

The apaches are true legends in offshore history,everyone would love to own one,not the fastest and expensive to maintain,but a awesome piece of history.That whats keeps the value up.I think about buying one all the time,and rough water ride second to none

why would they be more expensive on maintenance than other? does not make sense in my opinion... a boat is a boat. and if they are as good as mentionned here... I really don't see why you'd have to spend more on them...

Ah, not exactly.

Having owned 2 41-Apaches, as well as 3 Formulas ( 272, 357,382), I can assure you that there is absolutely NO comparison between them concerning ride.

Totally different animals.

Because most have large blower motors that are expensive to maintain and rebuild when necessary and 93 or more octaine fuel. So not only more expensive fuel but burns plenty of it.

Also they are heavy so they take a pretty good size tow vehicle. You need a bigger lift or hoist, most have at least 3s, 3as, 5s or 6s to maintain. Also when you maintain a 15-20 year old boat things break.

I thought about it seriously also and if my garage had been 5 feet longer, it would probably be in there now.

Design, build quality, rough water performance.

I can dig the Avanti :cool:

Whats in a name????? Great question. It says something when your at a poker run or other boating event and you have a boat like no other boat there. In my opinion, Apaches are plain bad a%%, I would love to own one someday!

I hear you there.



COME ON LOTTO NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a chance!

Open offer pm me when your in town!:ernaehrung004:

Rob is a fine navigator......m.m....

Ferrari 288 GTO and 41 Apache - THE ULTIMATE TOYS!!! :D