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Old 03-07-2008, 02:07 PM
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WOW.. it sounds like this boat has had alot of covered up damage and has been cheeply repaired. I hope noone gets burned, lots of scumbags out there
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WOW... WHAT A GREAT STORY.. Sure sounds like this could really endanger someones family is they were out on it


As for getting back to the bottom of things here, and I'm speaking about the bottom of the hull, there's alot going on there. From what I know, Chris Merrill out of Indiana, did the first repair on the crack in the bottom of the hull. Now, Jack says that he did not do the repair properly, so Jack stopped payment on the check.

Chris on the other hand, told Jack that the proper way to repair a crack that large was to do it from the inside, that was gonna cost quite a bit of money.Way more money that Jack was willing to spend. So, Jack told Chris that he wanted him to do the repair from the outside, because it would save him a bunch of $$$$.Chris repaired it from the outside like Jack requested, and after a couple hours of pounding waves in lake Michigan, the bilge pump was coming on every 3-4 minutes.I happened to be in the harbor that day, and Jack asked me to see if I could find what was leaking water into his engine compartment. After a couple hours of checking all the fittings and hoses, I noticed that the water was coming from under the cockpit. Going into the cabin, I pulled an inspection cover in the floor, and seen a steady stream of water flowing down the center of the hull. Immediatly, we both assumed that the toilet discharge fitting under the toilet which goes through the bottom of the hull, must be leaking.
Jack could'nt get his trailer back from Chris because Jack stopped payment on his check and Chris would'nt release the trailer till the bill was paid up.Now, the boat was sinking in the harbor, the batteries were going dead cause the battery chargers did'nt work, and Jack had no trailer, or truck for that matter to pull the boat out of the water.I seen a trailer in the harbor parking lot that had no lock on the tongue, and I thought that the Cig would fit on it, so I hooked it up to my truck, backed it down the ramp, and we got the Cig onto it so it would'nt sink.Once it was out of the water, there was a steady stream of water pouring out of the bottom of the hull about an inch from the bottom V. After all the water drained out, I got under the boat to find a crack about atleast 7-8 feet long, and that's when Jack told me that Chris was supposed to have fixed it. That was the first I heard about the damage to the bottom.

Well, we did'nt know who's trailer we put the boat on, and now it was getting dark out and we had to get the boat back off the trailer and into the water. So I dried off the bottom as good as I could with towels, and I got a big roll of duct tape, and started laying strips of the duct tape over the crack, down the bottom of the hull, and about a foot up both sides of the bottom V. I was hoping that atleast this would prevent any more water from coming into the boat and sinking it.There were many people around us that day watching what we were doing, and some of them even offered to help us by pointing their headlights of their cars on the bottom of the boat because it was getting near midnight, and it was dark. The boat was put back into the water, and the duct tape held tight, and there were no leaks. This was the talk of the harbor, and the next day, one of the divers that cleaned the bottoms of the boats for us heard of what we did, and he dove under the boat to see for himself. Pictures were taken under water of my patch job, and alot of my friends were razzing me about what I did. I never told anyone about what happened, even when I was asked, but some how Jack assumed that I was the one with the "big mouth" that told the whole harbor, and ever since he's been PO'ed at me. Not that I really care, but all I did was try to keep a friends boat, or at least at the time I THOUGHT that he was my friend, from sinking.Don't really know much of what ever happened to the boat after it was pulled out of the water, other than the shop it was at, the work was stopped on it for lack of payment.

Heard it was repo'd and for sale at some boat yard in northern Ill. Then thought it went into a bankruptcy shortly after. Maybe it did'nt if it was'nt disclosed to the bankruptcy attorneys.I could go on further, but I think I'll let it go for now. It would be a GREAT boat for a guy that knows how to repair a bottom the correct way, or maybe I should say, for a guy that is willing to spend the money to have it properly repaired. Hope I did'nt ruin anyone's "dream" boat, but alot of you guys wanted to know the facts, and these are the facts, like it or not.
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As a non-partial observer and Mistress owner I appreciate the facts from those willing to voice their knowledge...

most importantly...never leave the dock without some DUCT TAPE!!!!

very impressive and no wonder word got out!
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As a non-partial observer and Mistress owner I appreciate the facts from those willing to voice their knowledge...

most importantly...never leave the dock without some DUCT TAPE!!!!

very impressive and no wonder word got out!
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And why was this brought up again?

I really don't care, it's just that I know if you stir old chit it stinks again. And rarely helps the smell of the stirrer.
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WOW.. it sounds like this boat has had alot of covered up damage and has been cheeply repaired. I hope noone gets burned, lots of scumbags out there

I like your choice of words. Thanks for bringing this back to the top. We now have 1651 well informed buyers and counting.
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I like your choice of words. Thanks for bringing this back to the top. We now have 1651 well informed buyers and counting.
I got a text message not long ago from "someone" calling me a scumbag and I guess I got inspired at the time.. BTW.. I am pretty sure I read you are the new leader of us scumbags? maybe we should start a club LMAO I just would feel bad if I knew a boat was dangerous and someone spent their hard earned money on a boat and their family got hurt because it was unsafe and I know about it. Just because there are members that can make a motor run good with ducttape does not mean it is safe to use it to hold the hull together
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WOW... WHAT A GREAT STORY.. Sure sounds like this could really endanger someones family is they were out on it


As for getting back to the bottom of things here, and I'm speaking about the bottom of the hull, there's alot going on there. From what I know, Chris Merrill out of Indiana, did the first repair on the crack in the bottom of the hull. Now, Jack says that he did not do the repair properly, so Jack stopped payment on the check.

Chris on the other hand, told Jack that the proper way to repair a crack that large was to do it from the inside, that was gonna cost quite a bit of money.Way more money that Jack was willing to spend. So, Jack told Chris that he wanted him to do the repair from the outside, because it would save him a bunch of $$$$.Chris repaired it from the outside like Jack requested, and after a couple hours of pounding waves in lake Michigan, the bilge pump was coming on every 3-4 minutes.I happened to be in the harbor that day, and Jack asked me to see if I could find what was leaking water into his engine compartment. After a couple hours of checking all the fittings and hoses, I noticed that the water was coming from under the cockpit. Going into the cabin, I pulled an inspection cover in the floor, and seen a steady stream of water flowing down the center of the hull. Immediatly, we both assumed that the toilet discharge fitting under the toilet which goes through the bottom of the hull, must be leaking.
Jack could'nt get his trailer back from Chris because Jack stopped payment on his check and Chris would'nt release the trailer till the bill was paid up.Now, the boat was sinking in the harbor, the batteries were going dead cause the battery chargers did'nt work, and Jack had no trailer, or truck for that matter to pull the boat out of the water.I seen a trailer in the harbor parking lot that had no lock on the tongue, and I thought that the Cig would fit on it, so I hooked it up to my truck, backed it down the ramp, and we got the Cig onto it so it would'nt sink.Once it was out of the water, there was a steady stream of water pouring out of the bottom of the hull about an inch from the bottom V. After all the water drained out, I got under the boat to find a crack about atleast 7-8 feet long, and that's when Jack told me that Chris was supposed to have fixed it. That was the first I heard about the damage to the bottom.

Well, we did'nt know who's trailer we put the boat on, and now it was getting dark out and we had to get the boat back off the trailer and into the water. So I dried off the bottom as good as I could with towels, and I got a big roll of duct tape, and started laying strips of the duct tape over the crack, down the bottom of the hull, and about a foot up both sides of the bottom V. I was hoping that atleast this would prevent any more water from coming into the boat and sinking it.There were many people around us that day watching what we were doing, and some of them even offered to help us by pointing their headlights of their cars on the bottom of the boat because it was getting near midnight, and it was dark. The boat was put back into the water, and the duct tape held tight, and there were no leaks. This was the talk of the harbor, and the next day, one of the divers that cleaned the bottoms of the boats for us heard of what we did, and he dove under the boat to see for himself. Pictures were taken under water of my patch job, and alot of my friends were razzing me about what I did. I never told anyone about what happened, even when I was asked, but some how Jack assumed that I was the one with the "big mouth" that told the whole harbor, and ever since he's been PO'ed at me. Not that I really care, but all I did was try to keep a friends boat, or at least at the time I THOUGHT that he was my friend, from sinking.Don't really know much of what ever happened to the boat after it was pulled out of the water, other than the shop it was at, the work was stopped on it for lack of payment.

Heard it was repo'd and for sale at some boat yard in northern Ill. Then thought it went into a bankruptcy shortly after. Maybe it did'nt if it was'nt disclosed to the bankruptcy attorneys.I could go on further, but I think I'll let it go for now. It would be a GREAT boat for a guy that knows how to repair a bottom the correct way, or maybe I should say, for a guy that is willing to spend the money to have it properly repaired. Hope I did'nt ruin anyone's "dream" boat, but alot of you guys wanted to know the facts, and these are the facts, like it or not.
Hey Packin, thank you for bringing this to many peoples attention. I'm sure that there are many "new" people here that are looking to purchase a different boat. This 35 Cig that "cashbrain" jack has, is defineatly not one that anyone that I know would want to get stuck with.

The only reason that I disclosed all that information about the boat, was that I was getting tired of hearing that there was nothing wrong with it, and I know 1st hand what is wrong, cause I'm the one that put all the duct tape on it in the harbor that night. Nothing wrong with telling the truth, cause that's usually what people want to hear anyway, so that's what I told.

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I looked really hard at this boat even had a survey done...... I was thinking it could be an inexpensive way to get into an excellent brand/quality boat. It was a waste of my time and money. Thankfully I went into it with my eyes wide open with the help of this forum.
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