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Sacred Ground 11-28-2007 06:00 PM

Whipple Charger-
 
Thinking about going to Quad Whipples and selling our 871TBS and carbs-
Who has Whipples and how to you like them?

Elite Marine 11-28-2007 06:07 PM

This should be posted in the Tech Section. I have a Quad Whipple EFI and love it. Boat idles like a stock engine and the torque is 1000 Ft Lbs. It looks aewsome and runs really cool and should last long due to it.

Gary Taylor or Taylor Performance is extremely knowledgable on these Whipples and could probably give you better info.


http://www.tpboats.com/

Strip Poker 388 11-28-2007 06:14 PM

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I have the Whipple 3.3's on a 500efi .Gained a solid 18-20 mph. Its been flawless and made good power.Going on 4 seasons. I would buy it again!!! The new Quads or 5.0 should be just as good.



Dyno
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ht=dyno&page=2
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ht=dyno&page=8

Boost
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...3900136b5a.htm

TeamSaris 11-28-2007 06:33 PM

We are a Whipple dealer.They are the best blower out there.Idle like a car and make tons of tourqe and hp.
Give us a call with anymore questions or talk to Dustin right at whipple Hes on OSO as Whipple Charged.
518-644-3080 ask for Jason

MahopacMarine 11-28-2007 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 2351853)
We are a Whipple dealer.They are the best blower out there.Idle like a car and make tons of tourqe and hp.
Give us a call with anymore questions or talk to Dustin right at whipple Hes on OSO as Whipple Charged.
518-644-3080 ask for Jason

I have seen a Sunsation that Performance Marine put a Quad on. Real class "A" job. When he says "it will idle like a car" believe it.
And the power that is produced is really great, it woke that thing right up.

Tom

TeamSaris 11-28-2007 09:12 PM

Thanks Tom.Even the Carbed quds idle awesome.King Sting never stalls.And thats spinning 35s on 6 drives

Chris Sunkin 11-28-2007 09:21 PM

Who wants "idles like a car"?

Gimme' this-
http://www.sorcererboating.com/images/new.htm

Rik 11-28-2007 10:05 PM

Who's electronic fuel injection software does everyone use?

Does Whipple make a fuel injection system or does each engine builder have to make/supply their own?

WMF 11-28-2007 10:18 PM

I love that boat, I talked to Mark the other day about you boat, your keeping it now, I was very interested in it, but for my area its alot of boat, good luck with it, it is a great boat

www.WMFwatercraft.com

TeamSaris 11-29-2007 06:14 AM

Rick, we use Accel on everything we fuel inject.

Canada Jeff 11-29-2007 06:19 AM

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I gained a solid 15mph on my setup. Sunsation 288, Whippled 500 efi. I am replacing the short block as we speak, and doing some porting on the aluminum heads to match the Whipple intake better. Oh, I can't express to tune the engines with a dyno enough!!!!

LubeJobs42 11-29-2007 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Sacred Ground (Post 2351806)
Thinking about going to Quad Whipples and selling our 871TBS and carbs-
Who has Whipples and how to you like them?

I have 2 complete sets I would like to sell. Newest compressors (3hrs old) all newest snouts and upgrades. PM me if your interested.

pbam22 11-29-2007 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 2352155)
Who's electronic fuel injection software does everyone use?

Does Whipple make a fuel injection system or does each engine builder have to make/supply their own?

Call Mark at Precision marine 504-469-7463 he can help you .

bobl 11-29-2007 09:34 AM

Whipple can supply the complete EFI systems with MEFI 4 controller or you can use aftermarket ECU and harness. All the hardware is included in the kits. We use the FAST ECUs, but it really comes down to what you are most comfortable with. You must have the MEFI programming software to do the MEFI 4, which we have, as does Mark at Precision and Tyler Crockett.

Young Performance 11-29-2007 09:54 AM

Sacred Ground,
I would not hesitate to purchase a Whipple. I have done over 12 quadrotors and many more singles. It is pretty much the only supercharger that I use.

Rick,
The only EFI that I use is the MEFI 4. Personally, I think it is the best. But, you must have the software to tune them (which I do) and they are not very user friendly like some of the aftermarket systems. Everyone has their own preference and there are much easier systems to use then the MEFI, but I think the added work in tuning a MEFI is well worth it.
Eddie

Canada Jeff 11-29-2007 10:23 AM

Question for you experts, I will need to 'tune' my engine once it is back together. Do I HAVE to send the computers back to Whipple? My engine guy is very familiar with this system but I think we are going to have a hard time getting into the computers now that Whipple has calibrated them. I think they lock the computers out don't they? Can we get into the computers ? It would be nice once the engine is on the dyno to tune it , rather than send the computers to Dustin along with the dyno sheets. Then try again....

Young Performance 11-29-2007 10:30 AM

Jeff,
Without the password, the only thing you can do is to erase the program and start over. I'm sure Dustin is not going to give his password out. You should call him to be sure it is password protected, or you can try to open it yourself to see, but it must be powered up. That can be tough if the engine is apart, but it can be done by hooking up the harness. Hope this helps, Eddie.

Rik 11-29-2007 11:14 AM

So, the idling issues and over all driveability are governed by the fuel injection system the engine builders choose.

EFI, MEFI4, Accell, etc.. Each is probably different in many unique ways.

I thought that maybe Whipple had its own EFI system that was tunable that they supplied with the blowers. Would add a lot more consistency to applications.

bobl 11-29-2007 01:33 PM

I'm sure Dustin password protects the ECM. If you have a dealer that you purchased through that is doing the tuning and has the software, Dustin may send him a copy of the file. He's done that for me before. Then he can fine tune it from there using a wide band 02 sensor.


Originally Posted by Canada Jeff (Post 2352583)
Question for you experts, I will need to 'tune' my engine once it is back together. Do I HAVE to send the computers back to Whipple? My engine guy is very familiar with this system but I think we are going to have a hard time getting into the computers now that Whipple has calibrated them. I think they lock the computers out don't they? Can we get into the computers ? It would be nice once the engine is on the dyno to tune it , rather than send the computers to Dustin along with the dyno sheets. Then try again....


Canada Jeff 11-29-2007 02:53 PM

My computer is protected, and I respect that. I just wondered if there was a way around it to make this easier and WAY quicker fo me. I guess I'll just send the computer with a dyno sheet. Trial and error.

Queenie 11-29-2007 03:30 PM

When we bought the Apache this summer I was adament about not buying a boat with blowers....that was hard to find with the weight of the boat, etc. and now realize that we need them in order to have the boat perform where we want.

I know my husband will know this but I just have to ask quickly.

What is the difference between whipples and blowers? Is there short version that puts it in a nutshell?

Thanks.

Chris Sunkin 11-29-2007 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by ChiefApache89 (Post 2353029)
When we bought the Apache this summer I was adament about not buying a boat with blowers....that was hard to find with the weight of the boat, etc. and now realize that we need them in order to have the boat perform where we want.

I know my husband will know this but I just have to ask quickly.

What is the difference between whipples and blowers? Is there short version that puts it in a nutshell?

Thanks.

Not all that much- same basic principle. The whipple uses a high helix rotor which is essentially more of a screw-like twist than a straight-rotor roots type. There are plusses and minuses to each.

Blowers aren't bad but they are a bit more maintenance-intensive. The biggest thing is making sure you have zero fuel delivery issues. Lean melts motors quick with blowers.

Queenie 11-29-2007 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2353033)
Not all that much- same basic principle. The whipple uses a high helix rotor which is essentially more of a screw-like twist than a straight-rotor roots type. There are plusses and minuses to each.

Blowers aren't bad but they are a bit more maintenance-intensive. The biggest thing is making sure you have zero fuel delivery issues. Lean melts motors quick with blowers.

Thanks for the explanation Chris. Trust me, we have enough soot on our transom so we're not running lean! :cool-smiley-011:

Still learning about blowers and things like that. We're doing some maintenance on our blowers this winter and Rob's been great in explaining everything and what it does along the way. Just helps me understand a little bit better when you goes start talking your talk! :D:drink:

insatiable 11-29-2007 04:37 PM

i have a tripple engine 42 baja & i have there 3300liter efi blower kits in my boat. they are great. proably a good 100 hours on them with no problems what so ever. the noise they make is the very cool also. 3 engines at 5900rpm, people stair when you go by & just point. so if your asking i say for shore do it.

insatiable 11-29-2007 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Canada Jeff (Post 2352583)
Question for you experts, I will need to 'tune' my engine once it is back together. Do I HAVE to send the computers back to Whipple? My engine guy is very familiar with this system but I think we are going to have a hard time getting into the computers now that Whipple has calibrated them. I think they lock the computers out don't they? Can we get into the computers ? It would be nice once the engine is on the dyno to tune it , rather than send the computers to Dustin along with the dyno sheets. Then try again....

i have a tripple baja 42 with whipple's, if you want less brain damage call dustin whipple let him know your sending them & have him do it. when i put on my chargers down in fresno he went with me to the lake to do the map, never had a problem ever in 3 seasons.

Strip Poker 388 11-29-2007 05:26 PM

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I would like to have this set up in my next boat w/#6's, 525efi Whipple making 900++ hp:drink:

OL40SVX 11-29-2007 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388 (Post 2353184)
I would like to have this set up in my next boat w/#6's, 525efi Whipple making 900++ hp:drink:

That boat would work well also!!:D:D

lt 11-29-2007 07:08 PM

I installed a 3.3 whipple and dart aluminum heads on a HP 500efi and went from 84mph to 112mph in a 25 daytona, it's 3 years old and never had any issues , very pleased.

JIMKID Motorsports 11-29-2007 07:11 PM

Hay rik FAST makes a nice efi system fully programable with lap top

chuckd1025 11-29-2007 07:28 PM

I have a standard 502 with a little adjustment im getting right around 625 hp. Bored out heads, different cam etc...This is a carburated engine can i still add whipples? If so how much would it cost me?

Strip Poker 388 11-29-2007 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 2353272)
That boat would work well also!!:D:D


Just think turn the boost up and race gas and be 1000plus.:D

Canada Jeff 11-30-2007 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by lt (Post 2353314)
I installed a 3.3 whipple and dart aluminum heads on a HP 500efi and went from 84mph to 112mph in a 25 daytona, it's 3 years old and never had any issues , very pleased.

Which Dart heads did you use? I ask because I have to port match them to the Whipple intake. Not a very good match stock. Did you do this? I am running the Pro one seris.

lt 11-30-2007 07:30 AM

Jeff I used the cnc ported 335 heads, I did not match the ports when installed, but I am currently building a 557 quadrotor with the dart cnc 355 heads and I will certainly see how they match up(or don't match up?)FYI we spoke briefly before you installed your whipple, Rob at HTG is building the 557. Larry

Canada Jeff 11-30-2007 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by lt (Post 2353863)
Jeff I used the cnc ported 335 heads, I did not match the ports when installed, but I am currently building a 557 quadrotor with the dart cnc 355 heads and I will certainly see how they match up(or don't match up?)FYI we spoke briefly before you installed your whipple, Rob at HTG is building the 557. Larry


Oh, O.K. cool, question, did you look into the 5.0 whipple? Instead of the quad rotor? Also, tell Rob to double check your push rods apone assembly....;-)

Nauti By Nature 11-30-2007 07:48 AM

looking to upgrade b&m to quad or new 5.0
 

Originally Posted by Canada Jeff (Post 2353871)
Oh, O.K. cool, question, did you look into the 5.0 whipple? Instead of the quad rotor? Also, tell Rob to double check your push rods apone assembly....;-)

looking to upgrade b&m to quad or new 5.0 , can you tell me
if you need intercoolers for 540 or less ci , with 800 -900 hp?

Just listed them in classified with intercoolers !

Need feedback thanks

Strip Poker 388 11-30-2007 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Nauti By Nature (Post 2353893)
looking to upgrade b&m to quad or new 5.0 , can you tell me
if you need intercoolers for 540 or less ci , with 800 -900 hp?

Just listed them in classified with intercoolers !

Need feedback thanks

On the Whipple kits They are made for/into the lower intake. I wouldnt run it without a innercooler.

I am hearing the 5.0 is a lot more money that the Quad?

ApacheCarl 11-30-2007 08:08 AM

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Whipples are awesome blowers. I have about 100hrs on a pair of 3.3s, no problems so far. They sound really cool when they are making boost :D

Nauti By Nature 11-30-2007 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388 (Post 2353923)
On the Whipple kits They are made for/into the lower intake. I wouldnt run it without a innercooler.

I am hearing the 5.0 is a lot more money that the Quad?

something like 6200 for snoutless blower I was Quoted ,
for radial w305r / how much for quad carb do you know aprox ?

Nauti By Nature 11-30-2007 08:18 AM

would like to find some some quads setup with carbs maybe
anybody have them?

Chris Sunkin 11-30-2007 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by ChiefApache89 (Post 2353035)
Thanks for the explanation Chris. Trust me, we have enough soot on our transom so we're not running lean! :cool-smiley-011:

Still learning about blowers and things like that. We're doing some maintenance on our blowers this winter and Rob's been great in explaining everything and what it does along the way. Just helps me understand a little bit better when you goes start talking your talk! :D:drink:

By running lean, I don't mean intentionally jetting lean. I mean having something go wrong and disturb fuel delivery to your cylinders. Something as small as a piece of dirt or a failing pump can restrict fuel supply- it only takes a few seconds to go from smooth running to Chernobyl inside your motor. There's a very fine line between max performance and meltdown with forced induction.

Maintenance, diligence and a willingness to replace some key parts even though they're still working is the only way to successfully live with blowers.

I'm anxious to try this on the set of motors I'm building now. If iot does half of what they claim and what people have said it does, it's worth the $$ just for the meltdown insurance, let alone the performance gains.
http://www.jandssafeguard.com/


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