cigarette deal-need help
 

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o19925-en.html

my friend is highly interested in this boat, does anybody have any info about it?

thnx for help

Looks like alot of boat for the money. Almost suspiciously so. What's a 1987/1990? And is it $47,500 or $39,000?

Lastly, Viking Marine doesn't seem to really exist- no website, no directory listing. Have you spoken to these people?

In the big boat world (sport fish/motoryachts) you see that a lot, especially in that era. It means the boat is a 1987, but it wasn't put into service (i.e. sold) until 1990.

I see that alot as a designation of a major re-fit. An 18 year old refit on a 21 year-old boat isn't really bragging material. hard to believe a Cig would sit unsold for 3 years. '87 was a pretty good year economically.

I see that as well, on performance boats especially. But, the refit couldn't have been done in 1990, the parts it has aren't 1990 era... much newer.

1987 wasn't that great. I'm sure many people will remember a certain Monday that year.

That's a Flat Deck 38 (not a Top Gun) and I seriously doubt it's an '87. It has also been for sale on and off for the past few years.

Hey Timucin hows it going? Havent seen you on in a while. Hows the boating in Turkey?

that is an odd listing but looks like alot of boat for 39K.

You think it's older? the hatches don't look correct, but besides that I don't notice anything off.

Yes, it is older. The fairing is of a Flat Deck. Here is a 1987 38 Top Gun; you'll see the difference.

http://www.lipship.com/preowned/2401...03-topgun.html

I could already tell it isn't a Top Gun... I thought they made a flat deck and a top gun in '87 so I'm asking what makes it older than '87. Just trying to learn.

Here's another '87 Flat Deck for sale: http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_de...&srh_next=true

Like Bobby said, it's an older flat deck. I recall someone was interested in this boat about 3 or 4 years ago and it was brought up that it isn't a "real" cigarette. there was some deal where another boat manufacturer built some flat deck Cigs in the late 80's using the flat deck molds (cigarette had begun the Top Gun in 87 and I assume Craig or one of the others leased the molds to the other company to build the 'out dated' boats). If you check the HIN it wont be a Cigarette HIN #. And like Bobby said, it's been for sale for about 5 years on and off now.

With all that said, I'm not saying it couldn't be a good boat at a good price. Just check it out.

As Tank said below, they aren't "real" Cigarettes.

is like like saying they arn't "real" boobs:D

PS hey Tim... last I heard you said screw it and just left your skater somewhere and never went back

how would you deterime the "true" value of the boat?.....I wish we could find out who made it.....

I just wonder how much it could be bought for, especially if it's been for sale for that long....

hi everybody; long time no post
my friend phone talked with the seller ; he has a story about 87-90 stuff. he says boat was made in 87 shipped to norway then turned back to us and registered as 90. refreshed in late 90's (I dont remember the exact time will ask tomorrow)

glassdave; nice to see you ; boating is living its golden days in turkey for the moment, they have international championship races,lots of new boats, vb vb , but i have no relation with marine stuff and not planning soon.

packinair:nice to see you too ; yep i left and never visited my boat since 2002 or 2003 and will not,may be later if i feel that i need a boat , my plan is also to buy a complete one from states and import it to here but not soon

as i understand from your posts : this boat is not a good cigarette but nice for its price am i right?

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: You have a message (Listing ID: 19925)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:09:18 -0700

The boat was built in Oct of '86 as a '87 model(last two digits of HIN are 87)The boat was bought directly from Cigarette & shipped to Norway,when it came back in '90 it was titled for the first time a '90 why,I don't know.As far as the state of Florida is concerned the boat is a 1990,even though it is an '87.I bought the boat from Gregg Carlisle who owns Naples Athletic Center,in Jan '06 for $52'000.The boat was completey redone in 2000,The 502's,new helm,bulkhead,interior,pop up cleats,pop up bow light,transmissions & drives where rebuilt in '04.When I bought the boat ,it had been sitting on the trailer for 6 mos.,port engine had hung valves.I gave the boat toBoating Performance Center Inc.,theyt are a marine power dealer.They rebuilt the heads on the starboard mtr.I told them to do whatever they felt should be serviced on the boat they did a wide of sericing .THe bill was about 5500,in sept '06 I had new gas tanks installed,5000.The boat is turn key & in my opinion looks better than alot of the newer gaudier Cigs.Thanks for your interest Peter




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> To: [email protected]
> Subject: You have a message (Listing ID: 19925)
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:21:44 -0600
> From: [email protected]
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> Dear member,
>
> You have been sent the following message :
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> Subject :
> 1990?1987? TOP GUN
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> Message :
> I am interested in this boat. I am confused wıth the age.As I spoke on the phone you told me that because it went to europe and the death of the Cig.owner
> in the papers it says '90 but the real age was 87.In 87 the cocpit,cabin enterance door and cabin interior was different.Need to know the correct year.
>
> thanks
>
> erol

here are the emails between my friend and the seller

If the boat was built and shipped out of the country without ever being titled in the USA, then this is why the boat is titled as a 1990. In 1990 the boat was registered for the very first time in the states.....so even though the hull was built in 87, the USA never knew the boat existed until 1990 when it was brought back to the states...

pretty much the same story I was told when I looked at it
a year or so ago.

check the vin number 1990 i dont think so 1987 was the last year they made the flat deck it might not be a cigarette they made a boat that looked like a cigarette i dont know the name right know

whats the MIC on the hull id?...

IF the MIC is anything other than "CRT" then it is not a Cigarette. An outfit called Lear Marine made some Ciggy knock-offs around that era. Could be one of those. Flat-deck 38's were special order only after the Top Gun was introduced in 1987.

have found some flat deck photos;
interior, interior seats, ceiling,cabin entrance and passenger seat dash is different, these details confuse me about its being real or copy
any ideas?

my friends budget is 50K$ maximum,does anyone know any better top gun for sale?

What is the entire HIN#?? Is it CRT********* .... or ???

I've got one for $55K....whats your email or PM me

hi I am Erol Timucins friend you can email me the details and photos of your boat [email protected]

thnx for help

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I am timucins friend erol.I want to buy this 38 but I am confused like timoucin.areyou shore its not a real cigarette?As I see in the photos the enterance door,passenger dash,interior seats are different.It might be redone?redesined?Hard to believe........What do you think last?

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In the cabin picture the top interior is open and the ceiling is shown lined to lined but I never saw cigarette interior like this they are always covered and straight.

Hey Erol, The hull ID # (HIN) will tell you exactly if / if not it is a Cigarette. What is the entire # not just the last 2 year numbers (IE : 87) Is it a CRT******* or something else?

Good luck with your search. :drink:

Chris

ıf ıt starts wıth CRT than ıs ıt for sure real?

if it is a 86 or 87 beware......cig. had a de-lamination problem back then....if i remember they replaced the glass crew......bad move..........m.m..

year '87 and starts wıth CRT.What you think guys?

I find out the boat is 87 and hın no CRT38126J687 İs this ok?Now can we say its a cig.38 for sure?

Maybe Skip or Bud, or someone at the Cig factory could run a history or look for the file on that HIN# ... give them a call and see what they come back with.

Best guess is it's a raceboat and those ribs on the headliner are what's left of the bulkheads. If it was a raceboat, the deck would be too thin to remove the entire bulkhead.

Call Cig and have them run the #. They may have done the pleasure mod to it.

There are a couple of older flat decks for sale in that range. A friend of mine had a 35' Mistress listed that has been pretty much restored with low hours on NA 540's and TRS's. I think it's a great buy. I think he's still asking $45K. Certainly faster than the 502's. PM me if you want the contact info.

CRT signifies it was made by Cigarette Racing Team
126 is most likely the # of the boat.
J is the month it was made - October
6 indicates it was made in October of 1986
87 Indicates it was an 87 Model year boat.

Hope that helps...

IS there anywhere else on the hull or interior etc the HIN can be found on a cig beside the usual transom spot?

The story on a 28 I'm talking w an owner about is that the previous owner was removing the rubrail, going for the glassed in look but has sanded off the HIN.
Owner says that the boat is titled as a Cig but I'd like to make sure the paper and hull ID Number match.

(Sorry to pirate the thread)

This is on a mid 80's 28' SS not the same flat deck. I recall Lear or Lancer on L.I . was making 28 SS copies.

Thanks
Evan

I always wondered where that 87 top gun got to

Decipher this ?

CRT 38025021983