Mercury Refresh Program on 850, 1075, and 1200 HP.
 

One year ago we posted a News Announcement about the Mercury Refresh Program for the Mercuy 850,1075, and 1200 Horsepower packages.

I was shocked in my travels of the US this summer to come in to contact with so many people who were not familiar with, or even heard about the program.

I would think that anyone in the market for a used boat with these powerplants would find this to be very valuable information.

Here is a link to the New Factory Refresh Program and its updates and changes.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...81#post2357781

FOND DU LAC, Wis., Nov. 30, 2007 – Mercury Racing is celebrating the one-year anniversary of the “Factory Fresh” engine refresh service for 850 SCi, 1075 SCi and 1200 SCi sterndrive engine packages.

The factory-direct service, based at Mercury Racing’s world headquarters in Fond du Lac, Wis., features complete inspection and refresh of the engine – from the bare cylinder block through a final power run on a dynamometer.

The refresh service center is strategically located in Mercury Racing’s 4-Cycle Race Shop and staffed by the same technicians who built the engine originally. Mercury Racing technicians work their magic, taking the engine down to the bare cylinder block. In addition to the block, the crankshaft and all other rotating components are washed and magnafluxed to ensure metallurgy integrity. After the long-block assembly has been refreshed, it goes through Mercury Racing’s electrostatic, high-solid, polyurethane paint process to bring it back to like-new condition.

Replaced rotating components include the camshaft, pistons, rings and connecting rod bolts. Cylinder head re-work includes the replacement of intake and exhaust valves, valve springs, retainers, valve seals, valve locks, rocker arms and lifters. Superchargers are inspected and updated with new snout bearings and seals. The refresh process includes the replacement of high-tension leads and a set of spark plugs, oil and fuel filters, all belts, special head gaskets, seals, hoses, impeller, and other miscellaneous hardware.

850 SCi/1075 SCi/1200 SCi Refresh Service Parts Kit Contents:
• (1) Set valve springs
• (1) Set valve locks
• (1) Super charger snout kit (bearings & seals)
• (1) Set retainers
• (1) Set valve seals
• (1) Set lifters
• (1) Set cylinder head gaskets
• (1) Oil and fuel filters
• (1) Set spark plugs
• (1) Sea pump – impeller kit
• (1) Set exhaust valves
• (1) Set intake valves
• (1) Set rocker arms
• (1) Set pistons and rings
• (1) Set rod bolts
• (1) Camshaft
• (1) Set belts
• (1) Set high tension leads
• (1) Special shipping crate
• Miscellaneous gaskets, seals, hoses, hardware

Retail price for the refresh of one engine is $22,810. The fee covers labor and replacement of parts included in the standard refresh kit. Additional fees apply for labor and parts which are above and beyond the standard refresh.

Replacement parts used in the refresh carry the same warranty the engines are sold with – 180-days for the 850 SCi, 90-days for the 1075 SCi and no warranty for the 1200 SCi. Refresh work is backed by a 30-day labor warranty

Factory Fresh is just another point of differentiation Mercury Racing has versus its competitors. No one can match Mercury Racing’s dealer and service network.

Owners are encouraged to direct their engine refresh service to qualified 1075 SCi/850 SCi Total Engine Application Management (T.E.A.M.)-accredited OEM boat builders and dealers.

Mercury Racing has partnered with BAM Marine of Pompano Beach, Fla., to offer an optional refresh service for BAM transmissions which come packaged with Mercury Racing 850 SCi and 1075 SCi engines. Retail price for the transmission refresh, which includes complete inspection and replacement of all worn components, is $1,545.

Customers may also take advantage of Mercury Racing’s dry-sump Six-drive refresh service at the X-Site test facility in Panama City, Fla. For additional information, please contact X-Site at (850) 769-1011.

A factory-spec shipping container is included in the price of the refresh to ensure safe transport of the engine to and from the dealer or OEM boat builder.

Customers are provided with a toll-free phone number to take advantage of Mercury Marine-negotiated shipping rates.

$22,810 seems kinda high?

price a new one..:drink:

it appears you didn't see it also includes a impeller kit:cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011::evilb:

Last year it was 26K for the same service............


So for a pair of twins the cost of maintenance starts at $440 an hour plus fuel/ insurance.

A new oil and fuel filter too :rolleyes: :evilb:

But you get the factory-spec shipping container included in the price :cool-smiley-011:

• (1) Super charger snout kit (bearings & seals)


does this mean their is an extra charge for the engines with 2 blowers???:):)

since the motors are supposed to come back "fresh", looking and performing as new..wouldnt an exchange program work even better?? send them a motor, in c couple days you get one back. quality should be consistant, down time would be greatly reduced..motors could be sent to authorized exchange centers...you tell them your comming in next week..they have the 'fresh motors' waiting..drop of the boat, come back the next day and the engines have been swapped and your good to go...spend good money for merc motors, get good service

Now THAT is a good idea right there !!!

is that price really that far out of line to have factory fresh motors given what you are spending for them in the first place and the relability????

Looking in Summit at the cost of those parts and then I know their labor rates. :eek:

who out there spendsmore R&D then merc?

General Motors:D

im sure any one of the highly talked about motor builder's on this site can refesh one of those motor's for half of that merc, price . so in other word's get both motor's done for the price of one :).
they dont even include new ring's or pistons from merc at that price :eek:

which is where merc got all their efi stuff! :eek:

850 SCi/1075 SCi/1200 SCi Refresh Service Parts Kit Contents:
• (1) Set valve springs
• (1) Set valve locks
• (1) Super charger snout kit (bearings & seals)
• (1) Set retainers
• (1) Set valve seals
• (1) Set lifters
• (1) Set cylinder head gaskets
• (1) Oil and fuel filters
• (1) Set spark plugs
• (1) Sea pump – impeller kit
• (1) Set exhaust valves
• (1) Set intake valves
• (1) Set rocker arms
• (1) Set pistons and rings
• (1) Set rod bolts
• (1) Camshaft
• (1) Set belts
• (1) Set high tension leads
• (1) Special shipping crate
• Miscellaneous gaskets, seals, hoses, hardware

sorry i missed that now it's worth the 22 k per motor :eek:

Wow, at that rate, at what point are turbines attractive?

What would a guestimation be on the breakdown?

$5000 in parts and $17,000 in labor.

yeap:D


I am betting some of the reputable engine builders on this site can do it around 11-13k.

Question: After paying $22K for a re-fresh, do you get another 6 month warranty on the 850sci? If yes, then maybe its worth it for someone..... :rolleyes:

Replacement parts used in the refresh carry the same warranty the engines are sold with – 180-days for the 850 SCi, 90-days for the 1075 SCi and no warranty for the 1200 SCi. Refresh work is backed by a 30-day labor warranty

Are you saying it's another 6 months on top of the 6 you bought it with....or just under the original 6 months? If it's 6 on top of the 6 you're not paying for the service, you're paying for a warranty.....

30 days on labor....seems like this would leave a lot of grey area when push comes to shove..... :(

Anyone have one fail in 30+ days after the referesh and how did Merc. handle it?

Has anyone questioned a resepected builder i.e. Teague, Pfaff, Cobra, Chief etc. to see what their cost would be to freshen one of these engines and what the warranty would be? Just curious..... if you're out of warranty anyway, I would think you might have some options.
Those prices are near some (not all models) aircraft piston reman engines from Teledyne or Textron that carry a TBO warranty; 2000 hours.:eek:

I am also curious how many of these rebuilds come in at that price. I'm sure any machine work, damage, etc. can really drive the cost up!

how bout stick'in an aircraft (non-turbine) engine in a boat :D Thats some pretty good hours and i'm sure the stress is similar :cool-smiley-011:

Has anyone used this service yet?

How about hours warranty
 

180 Days doesn't measn much with one of these boats when in the winter some guys can't even use them for some of that time or somebody is busy and can' use it much. They should warrantee it for hours of use, I'm sure the ECU can keep track of all that.

Do they Dyno for that
 

Do they Dyno the Motors in the Cost? They should seems worthless if they don't.

Where are the people who actually run the high end boats with the Mercury motors? I don't see them complaining on here. Almost all of my friends with big boats run 1075's and 850's(9 guys with the big new generation Mercs). They get to turn the key and go boating. They almost all had boats with big power from the big non-Merc names before and experienced the BIG BANG. NONE of them have blown up a Merc 1075 or 850. NONE of them will buy anything other than MERC. I'm sorry, but I'm listening to them, not people looking in from the outside.

At the end of the day, you could make an argument that it doesn't cost more to run a Merc boat: from initial purchase price of the new boat, less failures and better, faster resale. But let's not even go there. Let's say it is more expensive to run Merc.

People will pay for a superior product, reliability and resale value. Let's see at the Miami Boat Show how horrible Mercury is when you look at the Outerlimits, Nor-tech, and Cigarette booths. Let's see what the big dogs buy this winter.

When $20-30k becomes like a $100 bill to me i'll be glad to have mine refreshed. But for now that's a whole freakin boat, so NO Thanks!

I am waiting to get my 1075 back from Merc. for my first rebuild . I will report all my findings , and experience on this when finished up.

Just remember this when dealing with ANY of these guys ...

"There is NO magic"

Please keep me posted. I am just curious on how this goes. And i do agree there is no magic.

Mercury gives a 6 month warranty over hours of use becasue they know the first 6 months of a new boat will be somewhat conservative. Meaning a new owner slaps down a half a mill, the boat is new and they are just trying to figure it out. Eventually they know exactly how the boat is going to react and then is when WOT is the norm. At 7 months the sticks are on the dash 99% of the time and the motor goes boom, and merc goes Ka Ching.

So how many 850/1075/1200's have you seen go "kaboom"?

Like somebody else mentioned, the only people complaining on here are people who don't have them? One came on here who has their engine there now, didn't hear too many complaints.....

If there was some kind of Mercury outrage by the actual owners you think you would of heard it by now, hmmm......

I'm not bashing mercury, any engine run at WOT constantly eventually will fail. And yes I do know people that have 1075's, and have had engine failures.


Most owners know that bashing what they have does no good on this site, complain to merc is about all. The people you hear complaing about problems on engine packages, are engines that are much more abundant and in return more problems seem to arise beacasue of the shear number difference.


And as far as the warranty I'm just stating mercury is better off giving a time frame rather then hours of use. I don't think a 850 is going to go boom at 7 months, just explaining why I think its a 6 month warranty rather then hours of use.

I have blown up four 9000hp motors and you never heard me outraged. Just took my lumps and bumbs and moved on. They weren't merc but after owning merc I do think there is a difference.

your right, they all can fail, no secret about that, its just a mechanical item. its just funny that there is two pages of people complaining about something they don't have, when there are othere engine builders stuff who goes boom way more often with much less volume out there than what mercury has. you think there would be threads about those guys so these guys could complain about...

like i said above, if their actual customers were outraged, we probably would of heard about it, OSO is good for that.

I could care less also....anything merc we pay a mark up on it.

Keep in mind though, there a lots of things you and I don't hear about. And no, this isn't a subliminal message...just stating that things aren't always perfect in paradise.