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live wire 01-16-2008 08:07 PM

Best Upgrades 496ho???
 
I'm looking to dump between $5-10k this spring into my 496HO I was wondering what upgrades would be recommended in this price range and still retain reliability.I'm am also considering moving up to a twin 496HO boat within a year and would like to be able to reinstall this upgrades into the next boat .Any suggestions?

obsessed1 01-16-2008 08:20 PM

raylar bck-103 kit. gives you 100 hp bolt on for about $6400. buy a prop and have some $ to spare.

DMOORE 01-16-2008 08:24 PM

Whipple. And you don't have to pull the motors apart.



Darrell.

tblrklakemo 01-16-2008 08:27 PM

sorry, but the cmi's wont really help speed on their own....they do sound great but are wayyyyyy to expensive. Do the raylar or whipple it and combine one of those with the CMI's.

obsessed1 01-16-2008 08:29 PM

live wire, there is a used raylar kit complete in the classifieds as well as used cmi headers all for the 496

DMOORE 01-16-2008 08:30 PM

When a bubby Whippled his HO in a 28ft Conquest Cat, he went from 60 to 76MPH. Thats a big jump.


Darrell.

tblrklakemo 01-16-2008 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Marine Toys (Post 2409295)
Always start with the Exhaust, and get one that you can up grade the HP with.
This usually loses about 100 lbs and gives 10% more horse power out of the gate, there are many to choose from.
Dana, Eddie, CMI
They are all good, just different price points.


100 lbs..? not from 496 exhaust(already aluminum.) Getting rid of the cast iron heads, yes. The 496 exhaust upgrades just dont justify their high cost. Lots of threads on this. The stock units flow pretty well.

PARADOX 01-16-2008 08:45 PM

Live Wire. See my old thread about the same issue.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=165776

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=171004

good luck.. I checked out the possibilities. HP- VS- $.. is the end result..

WMF 01-16-2008 09:29 PM

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The CMI exhaust looks great and adds sound, but wont increase perfomance, at lease not on my old boat, I gained nothing from the exhaust change, but it did take awhile to install.

Stormrider 01-16-2008 09:40 PM

where's raylar??? must still be working.
http://www.raylarengine.com/kits.html
http://www.raylarengine.com/hotboat_1.html

Raylar 01-16-2008 09:44 PM

live wire and other 496 owners.
Myself and many others who use our upgrades will tell you that our systems are the best bang for the buck while still keeping the engine reliable and running on 87 pump gas.

Call us we'll keep it simple and you'll know the difference.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

MahopacMarine 01-16-2008 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2409257)
I'm looking to dump between $5-10k this spring into my 496HO I was wondering what upgrades would be recommended in this price range and still retain reliability.I'm am also considering moving up to a twin 496HO boat within a year and would like to be able to reinstall this upgrades into the next boat .Any suggestions?


Hey Live Wire

I have your upgrade in my yard :D


Just kidding. I would definitely go with the Raylar Kit. Besides, I would love to have your boat with a kit as a demo in the area :evilb:

Griff 01-17-2008 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2409257)
I'm am also considering moving up to a twin 496HO boat within a year and would like to be able to reinstall this upgrades into the next boat .Any suggestions?

My suggestion..........Save your money for the next boat and get 500's or 525's in it.

live wire 01-17-2008 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Raylar (Post 2409431)
live wire and other 496 owners.
Myself and many others who use our upgrades will tell you that our systems are the best bang for the buck while still keeping the engine reliable and running on 87 pump gas.

Call us we'll keep it simple and you'll know the difference.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

My dealer( Mahopac marine) suggested your kit a couple weeks ago . This looks like the way I'm going to go.Thanks for the input everyone

Canada Jeff 01-17-2008 06:45 AM

If you Whipple it, which will give you the best bang for the buck, be sure to have the computer tuned with the engine on the Dyno. To go even further for better religability, change the pistons, and rods. The pistone and rods are the weak point in a blown 496. Oh, make sure you have a forged steel crank too. Merc stoped using the forged crank a few year back.

This recomendation is from experience. We are rebuilding two 496HO whipple engines. Rod and piston failure, not sure what happened first.

TylerCrockett 01-17-2008 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2409257)
I'm looking to dump between $5-10k this spring into my 496HO I was wondering what upgrades would be recommended in this price range and still retain reliability.I'm am also considering moving up to a twin 496HO boat within a year and would like to be able to reinstall this upgrades into the next boat .Any suggestions?




I have a complete 502 we built and just dynoed 531 HP I will post a pic when I get to the shop. 10000.00

Canada Jeff 01-17-2008 07:01 AM

Thats a great option!! Pull your stock engine, and run that 502ci engine. Then if when you sell the boat, throw the HO back it her. Or sell it and get so $$ back.

Knot 4 Me 01-17-2008 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by tblrklakemo (Post 2409310)
100 lbs..? not from 496 exhaust(already aluminum.) Getting rid of the cast iron heads, yes. The 496 exhaust upgrades just dont justify their high cost. Lots of threads on this. The stock units flow pretty well.

Early 496 exhaust manifolds were aluminum but they are now cast iron. Not sure exactly when the switch occurred. Ray would know.

As for the upgrade, my first suggestion would be to save your money for the next boat. Second suggestion would be Raylar. If you Whipple a stock 496, sooner or later you will eat a piston.

Clay Washington 01-17-2008 07:49 AM

If you can find 93 octane gas, then Whipple it! :D

If you can only find 87, go with Raylar.

Good luck! :cool:

Dave M 01-17-2008 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 2409575)
My suggestion..........Save your money for the next boat and get 500's or 525's in it.

What he said.

tblrklakemo 01-17-2008 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 2409680)
Early 496 exhaust manifolds were aluminum but they are now cast iron. Not sure exactly when the switch occurred. Ray would know.

As for the upgrade, my first suggestion would be to save your money for the next boat. Second suggestion would be Raylar. If you Whipple a stock 496, sooner or later you will eat a piston.



Not sure thats true. I think all are and have been aluminum.....I have on 01' with alum and my neighbor has an 04 or 05 with alum....the elbows are SS. I would agree 100% on the save the money issue for the next boat. I just caught myslelf wanting to spend cheese on my HO...so i bought a dirtbike instead. :cool-smiley-027:

GLH 01-17-2008 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2409257)
Best Upgrades 496ho???

I will quote the best line I have ever heard on OSO...


Run some boost through them biatches.


:D

TylerCrockett 01-17-2008 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by GLH (Post 2409954)
I will quote the best lime I have ever heard on OSO...


Run some boost through them biatches.


:D



I have Forged stock replacement pistons in stock for the 496's You will need them. I have them with the stock wrist pin size or I have the pin bushings and .990 pin size pistons.

Knot 4 Me 01-17-2008 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by tblrklakemo (Post 2409951)
Not sure thats true. I think all are and have been aluminum.....I have on 01' with alum and my neighbor has an 04 or 05 with alum....the elbows are SS. I would agree 100% on the save the money issue for the next boat. I just caught myslelf wanting to spend cheese on my HO...so i bought a dirtbike instead. :cool-smiley-027:

I thought they were all aluminum too until I saw some threads on Merc changing over to cast iron. There was one guy that had bought a new 288 Sunsation and was mad that the paint was burning off the underside of his manifolds where they bolt up to the heads and they were rusting there already. I have an '04 boat but my 496 MAG was built 09/2003. I will double-check what my manifolds are made out of, but I'm pretty sure I have some surface rust around the gasket area where the riser bolts to the manifold.

live wire 01-17-2008 05:12 PM

Raylar Hear I Come
 
Thanks everyone for your help but after much debate and a nice converstion with Ray from Raylar.I have decided to go with the 100 HP Raylar kit mostly for the fact that I can run it on pump gas and retain the existing exhaust manifolds to keep it quiet when the kids are aboard and around the marina.Beside the great bolt on power I like the fact that it is still reliable and user friendly and that doesnt compromise the short block components.The boat currently runs a solid 74 and with this upgrade should put me at 80+mph .Which for me in this boat is plenty for now.

Ca$hed Out 01-17-2008 08:06 PM

What's the ball park cost on the Raylar's?

live wire 01-17-2008 08:44 PM

$6400

yesrej 01-17-2008 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by obsessed1 (Post 2409291)
live wire, there is a used raylar kit complete in the classifieds as well as used cmi headers all for the 496

where do you see this??

yesrej 01-17-2008 09:02 PM

nevermind i found it.

Canada Jeff 01-18-2008 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2410545)
Thanks everyone for your help but after much debate and a nice converstion with Ray from Raylar.I have decided to go with the 100 HP Raylar kit mostly for the fact that I can run it on pump gas and retain the existing exhaust manifolds to keep it quiet when the kids are aboard and around the marina.Beside the great bolt on power I like the fact that it is still reliable and user friendly and that doesnt compromise the short block components.The boat currently runs a solid 74 and with this upgrade should put me at 80+mph .Which for me in this boat is plenty for now.

Be sure to report back to us and let us know how that 288 runs. If not here, at least in the Sunsation forum.

Hot 4 Teacher 01-18-2008 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2410545)
Thanks everyone for your help but after much debate and a nice converstion with Ray from Raylar.I have decided to go with the 100 HP Raylar kit mostly for the fact that I can run it on pump gas and retain the existing exhaust manifolds to keep it quiet when the kids are aboard and around the marina.Beside the great bolt on power I like the fact that it is still reliable and user friendly and that doesnt compromise the short block components.The boat currently runs a solid 74 and with this upgrade should put me at 80+mph .Which for me in this boat is plenty for now.

Good choice. Do yourself a favor and get a good 02 sensor. FASS has a nice unit that measures both sides and can mount it in the cockpit.

tblrklakemo 01-18-2008 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2410545)
Thanks everyone for your help but after much debate and a nice converstion with Ray from Raylar.I have decided to go with the 100 HP Raylar kit mostly for the fact that I can run it on pump gas and retain the existing exhaust manifolds to keep it quiet when the kids are aboard and around the marina.Beside the great bolt on power I like the fact that it is still reliable and user friendly and that doesnt compromise the short block components.The boat currently runs a solid 74 and with this upgrade should put me at 80+mph .Which for me in this boat is plenty for now.

wow.....74 out of a 288? on the GPS?

Canada Jeff 01-18-2008 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Hot 4 Teacher (Post 2411307)
Good choice. Do yourself a favor and get a good 02 sensor. FASS has a nice unit that measures both sides and can mount it in the cockpit.

Does this work with the computer too? I asume he will have to drill holes in the exhaust system to mount these sensors.

Or do you mean Pyro's ?

live wire 01-18-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tblrklakemo (Post 2411319)
wow.....74 out of a 288? on the GPS?

It ran 75.2 with the wind and current and 72.4 against for an average of 73.8mph

Knot 4 Me 01-18-2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by live wire (Post 2411463)
It ran 75.2 with the wind and current and 72.4 against for an average of 73.8mph

That is not a GPS speedo so I assume those numbers are off of a handheld GPS? If so, wow!!! You by far have the fastest 288/496HO boat out there! Congrats! If you do not already have hydraulic steering, I highly recommend you add it when you install the Raylar kit. You will want the saftely factor running the speeds you will see post-Raylar. In fact, you are already running numbers where you need hydraulic steering.

Canada Jeff 01-18-2008 01:58 PM

I agree with the hyd steering! Changes the boats feel huge!! WAY more control. I have run a 288 without hyd steering, it was like a different boat.

chevyzq8 01-18-2008 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 2411594)
That is not a GPS speedo so I assume those numbers are off of a handheld GPS? If so, wow!!! You by far have the fastest 288/496HO boat out there! Congrats! If you do not already have hydraulic steering, I highly recommend you add it when you install the Raylar kit. You will want the saftely factor running the speeds you will see post-Raylar. In fact, you are already running numbers where you need hydraulic steering.

Good point, Hyd. Steering is a must!

live wire 01-18-2008 04:37 PM

What does hyd. steering usually cost .Between the raylar kit,a b blade prop and pumping up the stereo is about I want to dump into this boat since I'm looking to move up to a 32' .Is the Hyd. steering just something nice to have or is it manditory.The boat tracks and steers perfectly now even flat out.

live wire 01-18-2008 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 2411594)
That is not a GPS speedo so I assume those numbers are off of a handheld GPS? If so, wow!!! You by far have the fastest 288/496HO boat out there! Congrats!

The speed was recorded using garmin 330 street pilot,the temp was in the 40's with a 1-2 chop.
Thanks on the congrats, but I have run next to another 08' 288 496HO running well into the 70's and have heard of other 288 running in the 70's as well.


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