SCAM or NO SCAM ?
 

Have been emailing with this guy for a few days and wants a boat we have......it seems fishy and I am leery about giving out account info. Here is the email I received this morning.....copy and pasted here.....


Hello
how are you today fine i presume thanks so much for your rapid response and its so great to know that you still have boat for sale i would like to aquire it,i am alots ok with the price of $29,500.00 and payment would be made via bank to bank wire transfer so all i need you to do for me now is prepare an invoice to this effect and send to me via email and also provide the bank details required below for payment to be made asap i anxiously await your response looking forward to a wonderful and hitch free transaction with you.

BANK DETAILS REQUIRED FOR PAYMENT
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BANK NAME......................................
BANK PHYSICAL ADDRESS...............................
ACCOUNT MANAGER PHONE #.........
ACCOUNT NUMBER...........................
ACCOUNT NAME...............................
ACCOUNT ROUTING NUMBER...........
SWIFT CODE.........................................

And any other details that would hasten and facilitate funds to be transfered to you also i would like you to give me a name and a direct phone number to a contact person in your company that would handle the sales so i can open talks with the person via the phone and get aquinted to him/her i await your response.

Regards

Brian andrew
SOUNDERS & SONS LTD

have you met the guy??? sounds fishy to me..much rather deal face to face..no reason he cant do it at the bank in operson

He is in Europe so face to face is out.

I asked him to call us and he only replies via email.

That's a scam.... Anytime the english is that broken and the effort to use "big" words is that transparent you should bank on it being a scam.

Hell - half the crap I post on Craigs List gets responses exactly like this.

Find out from your bank if someone wanted to transfer funds to you what info they'd need, and if they have to have your account information... If you have a good relationship with your bank they should be able to work it out with you, otherwise I'd say have him send you certified funds.

I wouldn't give out that info for someone you don't trust...

If you're gonna send the info to him, you might as well send it to this guy too.

============================

UBS AG Postfach
8098 Zürich
Switzerland
www.ubs.com

Dear Sir.

I am an investment consultant working with Bank Of
Swtizerland, UBS AG. at their offshore department
Zurich Swtzerland .I will be happy to work this deal
out with you if you have a coporate or personal Bank
Account and if you are capable to keep TOP SECRET.I
need strong Assurance that you will never let me
down,if I transter this money to your account.

During one of our peroidic auditing I discorved a
dormant accounts with holding balance of 52,000,000
(Fifty Two Million British Pounds) this account has
not been operated for the past years. As at this
moment,I am constrained to issue more details about
this business until your response is received.

If you are not familiar with my Bank profile,please
take a moment of your very busy schedules to read
about my Bank website;www.ubs.com and I look forward
to hearing from you as soon as possible if you are
interested, on replying send me the followings.

Your Name:
YOUR BANK DETAILS TO RECIEVE IN COMING FUNDS
Your Telephone

Thank you for your time and attention.
Warmest regards,

Mr David J Idris.
Chief investment Consultant,
UBS AG Postfach
8098 Zürich Switzerland
www.ubs.com

That definitely sounds like a scam to me, I'd never give any information to someone that will only correspond on email.

Aren't there brokers or forwarders who handle overseas transactions like this?

I would think if there are and they are reputable it would be a wise investment.

I say Scam.

He can send a Certified Check just as easily.

SCAM

I have got the same email and did not bother to reply.

Yeah...my gut says SCAM ........ I would never pass that bank info on ...I am going to have him send certified funds via check if he is that interested in the boat.

Don't hold your breath...

i am alots ok with the price :eek:

Total scam! There should be a special place in Hell for these people! :mad:

Scammage!

Think about the information that's needed to set up automatic bill payment from your checking account: account number and routing number off the check. With that information someone can issue an ACH debit to your account.

If you have a legit international buyer wanting to wire funds, request they provide contact info for their bank and have your bank provide the necessary info directly.

Have your bank open a new account and send him that info. If he sends the funds, great, just transfer to your other account asap and maintain this one for similar situations. Also ask your bank what they think. However this is what I have done for new and unproven overseas customers.

The info he asks is standard for an overseas wire. It is all the same info on your check except for the swift number which can be looked up online

The only way a wire can be reversed is if the sender can prove fraud to the sending bank

Just send him a bunch of bogus info. Then when he replies cuss him out. I find that just a little therapeutic. I have had those type of broken English responses to sales before too. Here is the one i received by e-mail the other day.----
HELLO,

MY NAME IS MIKE ADI FROM SIERRA LEONE,BUT PRESENLTY IN ABIDJAN COTE D'IVOIRE.I LOST MY FATHER YEARS BACK AND I NEED YOUR HELP IN A TRANSFER OF SOME MONEY THAT MY LATE FATHER LEFT BEFORE HE DIED.

THE MONEY $25.MILLION WAS DEPOSITED WITH A BANK HERE IN ABIDJAN.MY LATE FATHER WAS ONE OF THE DIRECTORS UNDER TEJAN KABBAH'S GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE TO HELP ME STAND AS MY LATE FATHER'S PARTNER BEFORE THE BANK TO RECEIVE THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT. I AM ONLY 22YRS OLD AND WITHOUT PARENTS AND DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT TRANSFER OF FUNDS .

IF YOU ARE INTRESTED REPLY ME SO THAT I WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THE BANK TO TRANSFER THE MONEY TO YOUR ACCOUNT THEREAFTER YOU WILL HELP ME TO SECURE PAPERS TO JOIN YOU IN YOUR COUNTRY FOR ME TO CONTINUE MY EDUCATION THERE.

I HAVE AGREED TO GIVE YOU 15% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR YOUR HELP.

I NEED THIS DETAILS BELLOW. [email protected]

Your Full names:
Your Residential Address:
Your phone/Fax numbers:
Your Age:
Your Occupation:

MIKE ADI

:Whatever:
Mike

replying in anyway to this type of message guarantees your place on spam and sucker lists IMO

Don't ach debits still require a voided or scanned check?

Guys,

That sh***t way to send a certified check belongs to the 1800's. I did that once with the boardmember "Baja36", he sold me some MPI kits. I had to hand write a order to my bank. My bank sended it to bank office in Denmark and they sended it to me (I live in Sweden) and then I sended it to "Baja36" in MD, US. I beleive it toke about 3 weeks.

I think it's more than 10 years ago we stop using checks.
I dont even have any check book.

With all respect for the personal integrity, but it's way more simple to do the money transfer by internet.

TSPM, have you talked to the guy?

If you have any kind of probs with guys from Sweden, just send me a PM!!

Mange
On broken english :-)

All that's needed is the info, and access to a system. Have you signed up for Paypal, or utility bill, or any other online payment system? You didn't provide them with a voided or scanned check? Nope, just two critical pieces of info and one semi-critical and now they can issue ACH debits (and credits). Give me your acct # and ABA # off your check and I can have a printed check ready for deposit. And that's a legitimate service offering we've set my brother up with in his business.

No I have not spoken with him...I have however asked him to call us a number of times but he only replies with email ( my first hint of a scam).......

Web search on SOUNDERS & SONS shows up nothing. It certainly looks like the start of a scam .....if he is legit he will have no problem providing a phone number for contact and the originating bank information. How does he intend to ship it to his local?

If you PM me that info, I can drain your bank account dry in 30 or 40 seconds.

We do a check-by-phone thing and what he's asking for is what we use.

Have not discussed it yet.

OK, I understand you are confused!

I Speak Swedish 99,9% of the time so sometimes its easier for me to write a email in English than speak it.

SOUNDERS & SONS and the guys name sounds like English... STRANGE. Dont do anything until the guy call you up.

Mange

I set up a separate bank account and opened it with the minimum amount ($5 for my bank). I have used it a few times now for people to wire me funds and then I go over to the credit union and transfer the $$$ to my regular account. It's worked every time for me.

But....this sounds guy like a scam to me. Just give him some bogus numbers and tell him to send the $$$. Then see if he calls you when it doesn't work.:cool-smiley-011:

SCAM - there were alot of these guys on cycletrader last year.

that email is bogus, just delete it, complete scam.

Any further correspondence with this guy is just a waste of your time... I prefer to waste my time here on OSO...:evilb:

I get emails like this all the time for online apartment ads I run. If you have to ask you're getting scammed!

True- but phuck et- I'm getting the emails anyhow,Mike

bank account info
 

I'll give you my ex wife's bank info the cxxt caused my a lot of trouble with identity theft.

Scammer... Don't risk it.

Probably a scam, however, the exchange rate is very favorable right now for a deal like this. In the last year, I sold a boat to Australia and a 66 Corvette to Denmark.
I met with an agent for the the buyer on the Corvette. Also spoke to the Australian buyer several times and communicated by emails. Eventually met him when he took delivery. In both cases, they were being resold as a business.
As others have mentioned, open a new account and give that account information and transfer it out before the boat leaves. Just to be safe. I would only work with a wire transfer-no checks of any kind.
I always assume something is a scam until proven otherwise.
From what I have read, this sounds like a scam.
There are scams out there, but there are potential buyers as well.
Good luck, Greg

Since he likes to email so much , get him to send you a pic of himself lets say with a bucket on his head , a cigarette in his left hand , wearing a blue tshirt sitting in front of his puter. I have lots of good time wasters for scammers.

scams for scammers haha nice

Gotta love the classics:

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:D

I just rec'd this one on the 21st of Feb; I SMELL A SCAM... And how many other people has this been sent too ??? SCARY AIN"T IT !!!

Mr. Vincent Cheng
Email: [email protected]

Good Day
I am Mr. Vincent Cheng Hoi-chuen, GBS, JP Chairman of The Hong Kong and Shanghai
Banking Corporation Limited. I have a concealed business suggestion for you.

Our client Gen.Aadeel Agaal Bastaan who was with the Iraqi forces and also
businessman made a fixed deposit for 18 calendar months, with a value of Twenty
one million Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars only in my branch.
Several maturities notices was sent to him, before the war which began in 2003.
also after the war another notification was sent,and no response came from him.
We later found out that the General along with his wife and only daughter had
been killed during the war in a bomb blast that hit their home.

After more inquiry it was also discovered that this Gen.did not declare any next
of kin in his official papers including the paper work of his bank deposit. And
he also confided in me the last time he was at my office that no one except me
knew of his deposit in my bank. What bothers me most is that according to the laws of my country at
the expiration of 6 years the funds will revert to the ownership of the Hong
Kong Government if nobody applies to claim the funds.

I want you to know that I have had everything planned out so that we shall come
out successful. There is no risk involved at all in this matter, as we are going
adopt a legalized method and the attorney will prepare all the necessary
documents. Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters
concerning this issue. Once the funds have been transferred to your nominated
bank account we shall then share in the ratio of 60% for me, 40% for you.

Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters concerning this
issue and also I wish to inform you that should you contact me via official
channels; I will deny knowing you and about this project. I repeat, I do not
want you contacting me through my phone lines nor do I want you contacting me
through my official e-mail account. Contact me only through this e-mail address: [email protected] and also
if there be a need for me to call I will do the callings. I do not want any
direct link between you and me. My official lines are not secure lines as they
are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer care in line with our
Total Quality Management Policy. Please observe this instruction religiously,
after which I shall provide you with more details on this operation.

Your earliest response to this letter will be appreciated.

Kind Regards,
Mr. Vincent Cheng

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