Western diesel chips ,Update .........
 

Well as many of you know I posted on here the fact that I sell Western diesel products . Computer chips, exhaust ,etc to increase power and mileage . And offered a special deal to all OSO members .

Well alot of you wanted to know the facts .

I just installed a system on my new 2002 F350 crew cab single rear wheel ,4x4, 6 speed ,3.73 gears . I used the ram air kit , 3 stage power chip , and full 4" stainless exhaust . It is fantastic !!! Power like You could never beleive !
There is a STEEP hill near my house .that is my biggest test . It is only about 1/4 mile long but real ,real steep ! My 2000 Ford with an exhaust only would top this hill at 50mph . This truck with the chip set on low did it at 70 !!! I came up it today with an empty 14' ,2 horse trailer . I topped it at 55 !!! That was from 20 mph at the bottom . I didn't even try medium or high power ! THere is no hesitation at all . No turbo lag at all . Instant throttle response . As for fuel mileage ..........
Sell the Honda !! The trucks computer said it was getting 17.6 mpg stock . Today ( 200miles later ) with the system installed it says 26 MPG !!!! NO LIE !!! I will take a picture if you like . I do not beleive this and I am checking it for real when this tank is empty . But it is much better then stock and tons of power to boot . ha ha ha , get it ? (Boot) . Anyway . The response and orders from everyone interested is over whelming ! I have had to start a new e-mail for this alone . PLease respond to the diesel products @ [email protected] . If you use my other one I won't cry about it . If anyone would like I got some great brochures I would be happy to mail . And I can e-mail most info . there sight is http://www.westerndiesel.com/ Thanks for your interest in a great product . JOE

PS. I will post actual mileage when I check it for real .:cool:

Yes , you can also post quesions and coments on hear . I didn't mean to only e-mail me .

I don't mind sharing info with the "LURKERS " ! :p

Boot, sorry I forgot to get back to you. Thanks for the info on the chip for my truck, even though you don't have anything, I appreciate the time you took to e-mail a response.

Les

No problem ! Good luck with it . If you find a product that will work and have quesions ,just ask . I have a desent amount of experience with many of the other companies products . Some work , Some don't .

Joe,

Sent you an e-mail looking ofr some info on upgrades for my Excursion.:)

Boot how much we lookin at for the selectable chip set that you have? Does it shift better?

Jon

Thunderdan , I sent 2 e-mails last night . I got both back this morning . I will try again now .

Audiofn,For the FORD , The 3 stage chip retails for $770. A standard chip retails for $499 and is plenty of power ! You need to open your exhaust up some and at least put a better air filter in it . Their 4" stainless exhaust retails for $900-$1200 depending on the truck . I can put together a 304 grade stainless pipe to replace "CAT" .and a nice stainless mufler kit for about $320. The air filter is $60 .The ram air kit with filter retails for $499. If you are going to use this chip you need gauges to watch exhaust temp trans temp and boost .all three are $290. Guage mount is $70 Paint it to match interior is about 50.

Figure out what you think you want . And I will put together a package price that you will like !! I can't sell below retail but I can give something away if I want to you OSO members .

E-mail me at [email protected] Tell me what you think you want and I'll make you a great deal ! That goes for anyones else too . Just ask , And you shall receive !
:D

Joe,

Give me a call in my office at 856-767-5159 when you get a second.

thanks

you can resend the e-mail to [email protected]

dan

Boot, what are your EGTs when in the performance mode???? Also curious as to what boost your pulling????

Audiofn ,they also make a trurbo brake . It is real nice . Kind of the same idea as a jake brake on a big truck but with out the noise . That retails for $495 for a manual trans and $529 for an automatic . It makes about 250 braking horse power ! Also ,yes the chip reprograms how the trans shifts , when it shifts , and controls torque converter lock up to reduce heat build up in trans ,gain power ,and increase mileage .

I'm temped to go out tonight and put about another 500 miles on so I can see if this mileage I'm seeing is right !

Neverfastenuf, Not sure On temps yet . I havn't had time to put gauges in yet . Did exhaust and about 2 weeks ago , ram air last week and and chip about 2 days ago . You know ,you have to do the customers vehicles sometimes too ! You can't just do your own ! :D I don't abuse my stuff for any reason . So I am not using it on high untill I have gauges .HOpefully next week . There was an artical I saw somewhere ,and can't find yet , Where an outside contractor was paid to test western diesels stuff on his truck . He pulled a 9000 lbs camper , did 0-60 tests & I think 40-70 tests thst were timed and checked for temps . I think it said something like he lost 150 degrees of temp with just the ram air . (already had his own exhaust ). ANd the chip and ram air lost 250 degrees of exhaust temp over stock !! I think his 0-60 stock with the truck was like 12or 15 seconds . With the chip he did the same time with the trailer !!:eek: I don't recomend pushing it to the floor loaded . That is hard on parts ! And is not needed with this system .It makes so much power at 1/4 throttle ,thats all you need . (If I can find this artical I will post it .)

I have 2 excursions to do (not including thunderdans yet) , 2 94 fords ,3 97 fords , 2 2000 fords,3 2001 fords , 2 F550's , 1 duramax , 1 2000 dodge ,& 2 2002 dodges . So I'm going to have some real good facts and test results for everyone . If I get cought up ! THanks ,JOE;)

EGT's
 

Neverfastenuf,
I have the Western chip installed with no other mods. My EGT guage has never gone above 800 degrees and I'm pulling 10k pounds. Boost can go as high as 26 pounds, tranny temps as high as 170 degrees. All this while I'm towing.

Normal operation EGT temps are between 500 and 600 degrees, and tranny temps at around 100 degrees.

Mileage with overdrive turned off, 70mph, is 12.5mpg while towing 10,000 pounds.

Truck is a 2000 Dodge quad cab, 3/4 ton, 4x4, automatic. 5.9 litre diesel.

I like the chip very much

Joe the reason I asked is we have "chipped, modified" probably 250-300PSDs, and just did 2 02 PSDs for a comparison, one with the Western chip, box and exhaust, the other with the ATS chip and exhaust. Both had K&N filters. Both equipped with pyrometer, boost gauge and trans temp gauge (the stock Ford trans temp gauge is a JOKE). The pyro thermo couple was installed in the bottom of the exhaust manifold on the drivers side rear. The EGTs on both were very close in the performance mode when heavy footing it(1500-1600degrees). Be very careful as you will create problems in the performance mode if someone keeps the hammer down. Educate your customers on the do's and dont's of pulling heavy loads and tell them to watch the pyro very closely when in the hot rod mode. The RV\TOW mode doesn't create enough EGTs to really worry about. Both trucks performed about the same with the ATS chip being slightly faster in the HOT ROD mode while the Western chip was a little healthier in the RV\TOW mode. I believe these 2 manufacturers are the best available and they are too close to call which is better in my 02. Bottom line is the trucks are really amazing when "chipped" and when you really want that "little" extra, install the propane!!! WOW!!! :D ;)

Hey lakeracer , Thanks for the input !!
THats what I like is real world experience ! Not this guy said that and that guys claims it does this. We want hard core facts !:cool:

Mileage update
 

THought you guys might want to know .

I installed the wetern diesel pro shot system.
3 stage chip , ram air system, & 4" stainless exhaust , on my 2002 ford 350 4x4 crew cab single rear wheel , 6 speed , 3.73 gears .
I went to NY and back to NJ 530 miles .(Just the truck ,no trailer )Running between 77-83 mph .(Yes ,I was in a hurry and showed it no mercy and tore up several other trucks that wanted to play !) THe chip set on 'HIGH' power . I got 18 mpg !!! Not bad for a power stroke with about 430 hp and 920 ftlbs torque !! I don't have the gauges in yet so I have no info there .

Next test is set in economy mode . I don't know if I'll like that though .......... It's 'ONLY' about 375hp and around 750ft lbs torque !!:eek: :p :cool: I will let you all know the results !

How do you measure the fuel milage? The computer or the old fashioned way?

My computer on my Dodge seems to be pretty accurate whenever I have compared it doing the old fashion way.

Mileage on the highway without the chip was around 18mpg doing 75-80mph.

With the chip the mileage went up to 20-21mpg.

The computer o the Fords seem to ready 3-4 mpg better. Maybe they changed it with the '02'.

katdvr , I check it the real way ! The computer tells you a little different .

Neverfastenuf , I hear alot about the propane ,but what about tunnels and some cities ,you can not have a propane bottle . You'll go to prison if you get caught in a tunnel with it . Any info on that ? And you said you put the sensor for the pyro "in " the manifold ? Everyone seams to say something different on that . Western says it goes in the pipe just out side the manifold . My ATS kit for an older truck with no turbo told me it goes way down at the 'Y' pipe . And the banks I had ,said it goes after the turbo ?

I don't get it . Who the hell is right ?? :confused:
We had a similar topic about pyro's on boats a while back .The 'experts' said it can't be that close to the head .It needs to be in the pipe .

I'm confused ??

Boot, the propane question, I can not elaborate very much on this. I do not know if there are any restrictions. I would doubt there would be an issue, if there was every trailer and camper with a propane bottle on it would be illegal, wouldn't it???? I know here in Colorado we have a tunnel on top of Loveland Pass that is over a mile long and there are no restrictions. The thermal couple postioning is left to the discretion of the installer and as long as you know what baseline you have to compare it to, it is of no consequence where it is mounted. At the exhaust manifold you are getting the most extreme temp reading and many test baselines are run with this configuration. Who's right and who's wrong???? I don't believe there is a right or wrong in this situation. Hope sales are going well, it's cool to hear you're selling a bunch. I think the best thing about the installation is after the techs finish the job "I" get to test drive the trucks!!:D :D :)

I have done a lot of research on "chipping", EGT, etc. on Ford Diesels. EGT must be taken "pre-turbo". I have mine in the pipe between the manifold and Y pipe on the driver's side. It was easy to remove this pipe, drill and install the sensor, and re-assemble. It could be done on the truck but you don't want metal shavings going through the turbo. EGT should NEVER be allowed to exceed 1300 degrees. The weak link in the system are the turbo blades. They will break if the temp is allowed to go to high (They glow white hot). I know, I've done it. Also, the mileage computer does not read correct with a chip. My MPG stayed about the same, but hey, with more power that's good enough. I have an F-350 DRW with 4.11 gears. The best I have ever got was 15 mpg (Highway). I average 12-13 (Around town) and towing drops to 9 mpg (Highway). I keep track of every tank. Oh yea, the engine is at it's peak efficiency at 600 degrees EGT.

Lake Racer - what year is your truck? 12 valve or 24? What mods did you do besides just a chip? I have a 99 24V and I would love to get 10 - 15% better mileage. Highway now is about 18 same as you. Need to know more. Thanks.

Larry

Neverfastenuf, sounds like you got the cool job ! Just drive em . If they don't work right ,take it back and tell someelse to fix it :D .
Maybe some tunnels don't prohibit the bottles ,you maybe right . But I know of many that do . MAybe not all . THey are very clearly marked ,those that do prohibit it . I have also seen in several large cities I've gone through where it's posted ,you must take the bypass when carrying this type of tank or cylinders . What about Nitrous oxide ? I've used it before on diesels . AT least the NOS isn't explosive . :eek: WHat type of power gain do you get with propane system . I have info here on it ,but it has no horse power #'s.

But like you said before . SOme of these engine systems push the limits . I don't think I would recomend installing the propane on top of a chipped motor . I have seen people putting 500-550 hp on the ground out of their power stroke or dodge ram ! Man , Something has to give somewhere ! In my own opinion ,I think that making 1 horse power per cubic inch should be well with in the safe range of an engine . However diesels do make extreme amounts of torque .

innthered, Do you do this research professionaly or just a hole lot of personal experience ? The Ford duallies lack a little on the mileage .THey have low profile tires and low 4.10 gears .that really herts them . I had a 1999 crew cab dually and a 1999 crew cab single wheel . The dually got exactly 3 mpg less in every way . MY 2000 single wheel crew cab (stock)gets about 11 mpg at 75mph ,towing my boat ,and I'm grossing almost 26,000lbs and I'm 12' wide !

Boot,
I have a couple of questions. I'm thinking about installing a chip on my 2001 Cummins.
I was going to go with the TST products, I guess the owner is a retired Cummins engineer.
There stage one kit claims 50HP and 160ft/lbs of torque. I have an auto so I can't get to crazy. That is has been tested on a dyno (supposedly)
With no other mods, He even tells the customers why waste your money on exhaust and other things,unless you want to get real crazy with the power then you need to change the turbo housing.
Well that kit is $550.
Can you tell me how the Western kit compares ? Price ,power ,etc.
I would rather help a fellow OSO guy !:D

26scarab , I have seen very little of the tst system . It was brought to my attension by a fellow OSOer in my area that dropped in to show it to me on his dodge . He said he like it .His was a little more on the radical side then you are looking for . His was also adjustable in about 9 different ways . which didn't dawn on me till he left . How could you make these choices yourself of adjustment to your timing , fuel flow rate , boost ,etc .? It seams to me it would be much better for the computer to make that choice itself since it has the sensors to help it .

Anyway , Western diesel makes a chip for your truck . The standard one is 65 hp and 188 ft lbs torque . It will increase 1-2 mpg. How ever , air intake and exhaust upgrades make for a more efficient system . I would say to use a high flow air filter at the least . Your exhaust could be opened up in several ways . Do you have a catalitic converter ? If so ,loose it ! Put a stainless pipe in place of it . I have them if you need it . Add a high flow muffler ,stainless of course ! I have these too . About $160. A nice pollished stainless 4" tip dosen't make it run better but sure looks cool ! Or just go with the Western diesel exhaust .Retails for $1150 from the turbo back . This chip may be able to be programmed for more or less power if you want. I would have to run your codes to see . It is a good idea to install gauges to keep an eye on the trans temp ,exhaust temp, and the boost gauge is just cool to watch rapp around ! The chip retails for dodge $650.Gauges are 180 for exhaust temp ,60 for trans , and 50 for boost . Window post gauge mount is $70 plus paint to match your interior . I am offering great deals to OSOer's . I can't sell bellow retail but I can give something for FREE ! Free shipping ,and your choice of a gauge and /or mount or something to make it worth your while . E-mail me personaly at

[email protected] Tell me what you realy want and I'll give it to you straight !;) THanks ,JOE

Laster,
I have a 2000 Dodge 24V diesel. 4x4, quad cab, auto trans. Can't remember the gear ration.

I tow a 34 Advantage Offshore. With trailer I'm guesstimating 10,000 lbs.

Before the chip performance was great. Especially when compared to the big block that I had. It had a nice steady pull but when I hit the hills it bogged down to about 40mph. Even with a running start. I still liked it because the mileage was around 10.5 - 11 mpg's at around 75 mph. I was very happy until I drove my friends Excursion that had a performance chip installed along with the guage post/pod on the windshield pillar. I almost smoked the tires off the line! Well that convinced me I needed an upgrade. But I didn't want to be replacing my auto tranny so I opted for a basic upgrade. Enter Western Diesel.

After installing the chip and the guages I was very impressed. My first tow with the new equipment was from Phoenix to Lake Mead/Vegas. The same hills that I bogged down on I could maintain 55mph with no running start. In fact, I could punch it at that speed and start to feel it pull and go a little faster. Pulling off the line with the boat in tow, I have to be careful not to break the tires loose with too much power. The difference is night and day.

Tranny temp (correction) 150 degrees not towing, 180-190 degrees towing (depending on hills).

EGT exhaust temps, 500-600 degrees no towing around town driving, never more than 800 degrees towing.

Boost Guage (the fun part) between 0-10 lbs everyday driving, while towing all the way up to 25-26lbs of boost.

Mileage is 12.5 mpg doing 70mph and overdrive turned off. Even though the freeways here are 75mph, I drive 70. The difference in fuel consumption is worth it and I don't arrive that much later. If you have any other questions just email me.

Hey lake racer , How many rpm's you runnig at 70-75 mph without overdrive ?

Thanks Lake Racer. Just the kind of info I was looking for. I am only towing 4500 - 5000lbs. at present but you can never have too much power.:D That's why the pedal on the right is not just an on off switch. The mileage is a bonus that I can really appreciate. Unfortunately, mods to the truck will have to wait a bit as I want to install my Whipple on the boat first. More opportunities to USE the power in the boat. Thanks again.

Larry

Boot, the HP increase with the propane is dependant on the % of product introduced into the system. Different orifices, like NOS, can be installed with different HP results being gained. Usually a 25-30% mixture is ideal. The HP gain is also contingent on the trucks mods, chip etc. A 70 HP chip with this propane injection will usually result in approx. 25-30% gain being seen. It is very, very impressive. We have "played" with different %s of propane and the results varied. This % seems to be the best for most applications, although some "crazies" out there have gone as high as 60%+ and talk about impressive(clattered like crazy though, I wouldn't do it myself).

Hello fellow Dodge Ram Cummins brothers. A good place to go for BOMBING (BOMB)= (BETTER OFF MODIFIED BABY) your Cummins is http://turbodieselregister.com/
I have learned alot from that site. And have put some goodies on my Truck. Mine is a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 Reg Cab 4x4 Cummins, Auto, 3.54 gears. Upgrades are ,Lost the muffler, KN Air Filter, Edge Products EZ Box (Edgeproducts.com), Disabled Turbo Wastegate, DDII's Stage 2 injectors. (http://www.dieseldynamics.com/). Increased line pressure in Trans. (Temp fix until I melt it down and put in a DTT Trans( www.dieseltrans.com) If you add up all the supposed HP and Torque upgrades. I should be somewhere at 380HP and 795 lbs torque. But I have not had it Dyno'ed. I could be way off.
:confused: :D If you cant tell I love my Cummins:) :) Sorry I forgot to add that I also have a EGT Guage and Boost Guage. Under hard accel I push 32lbs of boost. And get about 21 mpg all the time.

If I remember right, close to 3000rpm. It starts to get up there and that's why I stay at around 70-75