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Originally Posted by fbrs
(Post 2573281)
You know if US average auto fuel economy were 6mpg better, ie nearly the same as european mpg, we wouldnt need to import a single drop of mid east oil.... in nyc all i see is crown vic's, towncars and suburbans doing what? 15mpg? that is a really dumb waste of oil.
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Originally Posted by fund razor
(Post 2573549)
There is some serious ironic humor in a post about 6mpg in cars making all the difference on a website devoted to people who burn 30-60 gallons per hour to go get a poker hand and some beers.
You are right, it is very ironic. however: Despite our hobby's need for large amounts of fuel it is still a small percentage nationally when compared to fuel used in private cars and trucks. |
The big picture.
Making a special trip to the store for cigs and beer. 1 Gal. Buying Benson & Heges at 4.75 instead of Marlboro for 3.50 Getting a 12 pack of Hieny for 14.75 instead of a case of Bud for the same. Cocktails at the parties (B&B on the rocks) instead of a 7&7, or rum and coke. The drinks looks the same... I drive about 50M-60M a year. at 15 MPG (if I'm lucky) thats $1000 difference between 3.75 or 4.05 per gal. Staying at the Hyatt or Omni at Poker runs instead of Holliday Inn. We all going to spend what we want and when we want, no matter how much we bltch about it. Skipping one Poker Run or a biking event and I'm even. It's the long term of this messed up Gov. and economy I'm worry about. I lost more on my investements in the past year to cover up to $10.00per gal. of gas. All my mutual funds, etc. are in the toilet. :( IT's EVERYTHING that hurts. Not just the gas. Having the OSO forum.. priceless. :cool-smiley-027: |
Maybe come nov I can buy a Scarab AVS for pennies on the dollar.:party-smiley-004:
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Originally Posted by pachanga
(Post 2572887)
Europe has been paying twice what we are now for awhile! :D
fund all thier social programs. Their property taxes are like 100 bucks a year instead of 10k. Also most countries have socialized medicine in Europe. Here,(you) or your employer pays which has a direct affect on wages. Apples to Oranges. |
Originally Posted by pachanga
(Post 2572887)
I bite my toungue as I coment here. WTF has the government got to do with the price of gas? If anything they have held the price down for a long time! Europe has been paying twice what we are now for awhile! I'm just like everyone else and want cheap gas!
The thing people need to do is do their part! I'm trying! I can buy the gas to do what I have always done. But this situation pisses me off. I'm tired of feeding the ARABS! I am doing the best I can to use as little gas as I can. If everyone would do the same it would make a big difference! I am squeaking 20MPG outta my Suburban(when I need it for Bus.) and got 14 towing my 260 legend powerquest! Just gotta slow down a little! I ran a short course at the Lake Hartwell Pokerrun and didn't run balls out cause I didn't wanna feed the Arabs! I only burned $150 worth a gas in the boat and ran the boat 2 days before the run! Wake up America! It's time ta show the Arabs we can do without....if ya don't we'll be payin $10 a gallon! WTF I guessd my legs can used some exercise and I will get out my bike! :D |
Originally Posted by baddogz28
(Post 2572633)
I sell cars, and I can say YES, people are dumping them at a ridiculous pace right now.
At one point monday, we had an Explorer, 3 Xterras, and a Grand Cherokee getting appraised for trade at the same time. Wow. No money/no boating. Gas is only part of the issues boaters are faced with. |
Originally Posted by epeek
(Post 2573719)
I am so sick of people making that statement!!! Yes, in Europe fuel is twice as much,but thats how they
fund all thier social programs. Their property taxes are like 100 bucks a year instead of 10k. Also most countries have socialized medicine in Europe. Here,(you) or your employer pays which has a direct affect on wages. Apples to Oranges. |
LOL! Guess I got smacked a few times for my post! :D Yes I know they pay more tax...but they also pay more pretax!
Yes...I believe we should produce our own oil and be self-sufficient! The other side of that is why not burn everybody elses and when it's gone start burning ours! There is a finite amount of oil available. I believe we are in a testing time right now. It's time ta show em we don't need so much of their oil. If everyone would just cut back some it would make a difference! The prop in the oil is cavitating right now! Back off the throtte and let it get a bite! Then open her back up! :D |
Originally Posted by Hydrocruiser
(Post 2573875)
In Michigan alone I read where about as many boats were in repo as homes were being foreclosed on.
No money/no boating. Gas is only part of the issues boaters are faced with. |
Originally Posted by fund razor
(Post 2573549)
There is some serious ironic humor in a post about 6mpg in cars making all the difference on a website devoted to people who burn 30-60 gallons per hour to go get a poker hand and some beers.
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Originally Posted by jmeng
(Post 2573265)
I call BS, you don't know how to keep the speed down. :D :D
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Originally Posted by Steve H
(Post 2573586)
You are right, it is very ironic. however: Despite our hobby's need for large amounts of fuel it is still a small percentage nationally when compared to fuel used in private cars and trucks.
Still kind of funny. :D And the serious side is that while you and I know the numbers, to the avergae person perf boaters could be seen in an unrealistic light as far as their part of contributing to the overall problem. I think that it is important for perf boaters to be aware of this perception, and it's potential increase in the future. I can see a time when a person pulling a perf boat with a large towing vehicle will be fairly seriously persecuted by the non-boating public at large. Some good PR is in order. |
Originally Posted by fund razor
(Post 2574279)
Absolutely. Statistically... a drop in a bucket.
Still kind of funny. :D And the serious side is that while you and I know the numbers, to the avergae person perf boaters could be seen in an unrealistic light as far as their part of contributing to the overall problem. I think that it is important for perf boaters to be aware of this perception, and it's potential increase in the future. I can see a time when a person pulling a perf boat with a large towing vehicle will be fairly seriously persecuted by the non-boating public at large. Some good PR is in order. |
Originally Posted by Speedpro1
(Post 2573951)
Fox news had a report yesterday about people just letting their boats sit at the dock and get repoed instead of loosing their houses. They had a huge auction on the news with all these awesome yachts and they were saying the europeans were here scooping them up because their dollar was so strong. This isn't good! Got any spare peso's!!! :cool-smiley-027:
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Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 2574294)
I agree fund and I already get plenty of wise azz comments at the gas dock.. :(
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Originally Posted by jafo
(Post 2574451)
I saw that report as well. Boats are currently being repoed at a rate of nearly 4:1 to houses, and the Europeans are snatching them up at record rates, sometimes for 50% of the boat's actual value. They also stated that the European sales are nearing saturation, so the marinas and boat sales yards are near 97% storage capacity; no place to store them anymore.
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Originally Posted by fund razor
(Post 2574509)
Same thing is happening domestically. I see them heading down I-75 south from the detroit/downriver area... never to return again. I see boat ads down south that say "just got this one in from great lakes, freshwater boat."
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Putting a Dem in office will not lower the price of fuel. It is not Bush keeping us from drilling in the US it is the liberal tree hugging POS special interest groups that keep us from doing what we need to do for the good of the vast majority of Americans.
Not all in economy is cutting back. We still have a lot of building going on across the country. Yes it is slower but some of you act like the sky is falling, it is not. The fuel price stinks but you can blame a chunk on the oil speculators for driving up the price. Bottom line is I am not selling my boat, truck or SUV so what it is worth currently has no effect on me. Everything will turn around and Obama or Clinton is not the answer.:( |
Originally Posted by mjpcowboy
(Post 2574598)
Putting a Dem in office will not lower the price of fuel. It is not Bush keeping us from drilling in the US it is the liberal tree hugging POS special interest groups that keep us from doing what we need to do for the good of the vast majority of Americans.
Not all in economy is cutting back. We still have a lot of building going on across the country. Yes it is slower but some of you act like the sky is falling, it is not. The fuel price stinks but you can blame a chunk on the oil speculators for driving up the price. Bottom line is I am not selling my boat, truck or SUV so what it is worth currently has no effect on me. Everything will turn around and Obama or Clinton is not the answer.:( |
just wait till our elected officials pass Cap and Trade, (which they are currently trying to do) the EPA has estimated it will raise fuels prices by $1.50 a gallon.
People also fail to mention Europe probably averages 3-4 times the unemployment rate that we have. Are they the role model we want to follow? we need to drill our own oil and build nuclear power plants. |
32 cents a gallon in Iran today.
34 cents in Saudi Arabia. |
The Chevron in my neighbor hood just raised their price from 4.09 to 4.19 in one day. I thought that after the 4.00 dollar mark prices would start to level off some. It looks as if I'm wrong again. There has to be a point of resistance somewhere. But where? At what point point do average gas consumers radically change their gas buying habits? Obviously we hve not reached that point yet. The price will keep it's current trend as long as we keep buying it.
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Originally Posted by Steve H
(Post 2574802)
The Chevron in my neighbor hood just raised their price from 4.09 to 4.19 in one day. .
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Originally Posted by Von Bongo
(Post 2574807)
Same thing happend here went from 3.69 to 3.85 overnight.
I went out to lunch a few days ago. $3.85. (Hess) After lunch went to $3.89.. I thought I better get some tonight. Around 7:00 PM $3.91 Next day $3.95 I applied at the gas station for a job changing gas prices. I have an interview Moday PM. :evilb::evilb::angry-smiley-038: |
Last thursday on the way to the lake, they raised the prices $.10 while I was puting $200 in the boat. Im glad I stopped when I did. That would have been another $5.
I downsized to a smaller single to save on gas, and I still managed to burn $400 just in the boat over the holiday. |
Originally Posted by PARADOX
(Post 2573592)
It's the long term of this messed up Gov. and economy I'm worry about. I lost more on my investements in the past year to cover up to $10.00per gal. of gas. All my mutual funds, etc. are in the toilet. :( IT's EVERYTHING that hurts. Not just the gas.
Having the OSO forum.. priceless. :cool-smiley-027: Michael |
>>>It's the long term of this messed up Gov."" <<
I do not want a Dem in office. I refere to the overall incompetancy (sp?) of the Gov. to solve domestic issues. We... the US/Gov. spendig way to much efforts and resources abroad and catering to low life illigal alliens, and special interests groups not allowing exploring offshore drilling and alt. energy. DEm. or Rep.. as far as I'm concerned the whole Gov. .. the system... dosn't seem to work. To much politicing, not enough guts and balls to do the right think. .02 |
[QUOTE=PARADOX;2575126To much politicing, not enough guts and balls to do the right think. .02[/QUOTE]
Right on! $.02 That's all we're going to have left pretty soon if we don't change course. Michael |
Originally Posted by Not Right
(Post 2574633)
we need to drill our own oil and build nuclear power plants.
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Originally Posted by 320es
(Post 2574968)
I downsized to a smaller single to save on gas, and I still managed to burn $400 just in the boat over the holiday.
Same here. I picked up a single engine Formula 260 SS for general boating and will take the 382 out for an occasional poker run. Payment on the second boat is less than 1/2 tank of gas for the big boat ...:( |
Seems like the USA pleasure boaters are not the only water users feeling the pain...Strike action in Spain, Italy, France, Portugal ongoing
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/2008053...n-5268574.html |
Originally Posted by fund razor
(Post 2574507)
What do you do? I am guessing that you pretty much ignore them and go on with your day.... but just curious.
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Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 2575287)
I just ignore them. Most of the time I don't even acknowlege them and I just go on my merry way.
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Think about it.
Americans shouldn't complain about gas prices. This is the end game of years of electing liberal environment oriented politicians who maneuvered to block drilling and refinery building. Americans have gotten what they elected. All the greenies should be loving it. Now me, I come from an era where strength was represented at least in part from as much self sufficiency as possible. That certainly no longer seems like the American agenda. Quite the opposite with all this globalism and trying to feel good with countries that are always going to hate you no matter what you do. Problem is, I don't see any politicians on the horizon who offer the slightest chance of hope. Certainly not the pathetic collection shaping up right now. Pesky Varmint |
I was amazed at how packed our local pond was yesterday. Temp was about 90 degrees and sunny, but the damn wind was out of the Southwest at 25 MPH with gusts well into the 30's. She was whitecapping big time. We've also had so much rain that the water looks like chocolate milk. Still, the lake was just packed and people weren't just anchored up. So far, $4 gas is not keeping folks off the water.
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In mexico now
Originally Posted by Pesky Varmint
(Post 2584723)
Think about it.
Americans shouldn't complain about gas prices. This is the end game of years of electing liberal environment oriented politicians who maneuvered to block drilling and refinery building. Americans have gotten what they elected. All the greenies should be loving it. Now me, I come from an era where strength was represented at least in part from as much self sufficiency as possible. That certainly no longer seems like the American agenda. Quite the opposite with all this globalism and trying to feel good with countries that are always going to hate you no matter what you do. Problem is, I don't see any politicians on the horizon who offer the slightest chance of hope. Certainly not the pathetic collection shaping up right now. Pesky Varmint I did not think it would be this bad,didnt think it would be such a broad spectrum... Ed mcmahon is in foreclosure. We are personaly stuck with a bunch of Real estate in the bay area and a house we are intending on keeping in Tahoe Ca. The life here in Puerto Vallarta is far superior, gallon gas 2,55 Diesel 2.05 gallon, Groceries going out etc etc are far less.. property taxes on our current value 450k $ 260.- per yr! Yeah 260- ,,, Its not over regulated like in the us, I have 38 ft bayliner not a great boat but its nice here and a 35 ft sailboat we race few times per yr, I am still looking for a small single 27 to 29,, I miss the 35 fountain, but would not want blower motors here. If anyone wants to come down let us know I have a mortgage company WWW.paradisemortgagemx.com www.sandcastlerealty.com great location in Marina Vallarta. You can easily find our offices right by the big light house. |
Originally Posted by epeek
(Post 2573719)
I am so sick of people making that statement!!! Yes, in Europe fuel is twice as much,but thats how they
fund all thier social programs. Their property taxes are like 100 bucks a year instead of 10k. Also most countries have socialized medicine in Europe. Here,(you) or your employer pays which has a direct affect on wages. Apples to Oranges. You want government run healthcare? be careful for which you wish. If you think it is equal to good private care, you are sadly misinformed. |
Originally Posted by 2112
(Post 2585454)
No, they control their people with their gas taxes. They pay for their social programs with the 50-70% INCOME Tax rates for the average Joe. Property taxes are low only because so few actually own anything worth taxing. 70% home ownership here, what 30% in Europe?
You want government run healthcare? be careful for which you wish. If you think it is equal to good private care, you are sadly misinformed. go to Chit. I'm just saying that people often compare our prices to Europe. Its not the same social system. |
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