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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2576808)
On lanyards-
If you fall out and your boat keeps going, it makes it harder for rescuers to find you. You're also risking other people's lives with your now-unguided missile. As mentioned, it's also harder to climb back on board and rescue yourself, not to mention that being run over by your own boat. I keep reading comments about how lanyards may not help you save yourself, ignoring the obvious and most important function they have... keeping the craft from injuring others. This leads me to believe that there's not enough discussion about lanyards. So, what downside exists to wearing one? On jackets- Do we really need to discuss why wearing one is important? Yet, many still don't. If you don't want to wear them, I really don't care. Unlike the lanyard, it's only you that you're risking. But maybe not- alot of the time I have less-experienced boaters or non-boaters with me. If I'm not wearing one, they'll likely assume they don't need one either. I think there's some implied responsibility there, but that's up to you. I know two people who drowned in separate incidents that 100% would have survived had they been wearing jackets. (one fell in after having a few and trying to take a leak standing on the sunpad- at night of course) I've been to the funerals and have seen their wive's and children's faces and I've seen the struggle they've put up to survive not having their husbands/fathers around. If you don't care about that or your own family, I don't know what to say. Drinking? Picture yourself in an airport, about to put your kids on an airplane. As you're in line, the captain walks down the entryway, sipping on a Budweiser. Are you going to put your kids on the plane? Hey, he's only had a couple. My comments are GENERAL and pertinent to so many of the stories we read about each and every season. You're right- no one knows yet why these people died. Since reports say the boat continued onward it can be safely presumed they weren't using a lanyard system. Since it took hours to find them, it's presumable they weren't wearing vests- or at least sufficient vests. If you feel that sensitivity will inspire or inform someone about the safety risks we all are exposed to, you continue on that path. Myself, I'd rather post something harsh and controversial that gets people talking. Sometimes it takes a slap to get someone to wake up. Many times on here it involves a newer boater or a guy moving from a bowrider to a performance boat for the first time. If they hit this thread and any of this makes them safer, they the rest of you can go right on thinking I'm an a$$hole. These people dying is certainbly regrettable. If nothing else, I feel for their families. If it's determined that their own actions caused or contributed to their own demise, all I can say is that they made their own choices and they paid for them. |
I just watched the lexington news at lunch....they actually said they were trying to figure out if both people jumped out of the boat or not....come on....
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My favorite part of the original news video was when the guy said the boat floated "up" river with the current. Obviously, a very knowledgeable newsman.:angry-smiley-038:
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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2576808)
On lanyards-
If you fall out and your boat keeps going, it makes it harder for rescuers to find you. You're also risking other people's lives with your now-unguided missile. As mentioned, it's also harder to climb back on board and rescue yourself, not to mention that being run over by your own boat. I keep reading comments about how lanyards may not help you save yourself, ignoring the obvious and most important function they have... keeping the craft from injuring others. This leads me to believe that there's not enough discussion about lanyards. So, what downside exists to wearing one? On jackets- Do we really need to discuss why wearing one is important? Yet, many still don't. If you don't want to wear them, I really don't care. Unlike the lanyard, it's only you that you're risking. But maybe not- alot of the time I have less-experienced boaters or non-boaters with me. If I'm not wearing one, they'll likely assume they don't need one either. I think there's some implied responsibility there, but that's up to you. I know two people who drowned in separate incidents that 100% would have survived had they been wearing jackets. (one fell in after having a few and trying to take a leak standing on the sunpad- at night of course) I've been to the funerals and have seen their wive's and children's faces and I've seen the struggle they've put up to survive not having their husbands/fathers around. If you don't care about that or your own family, I don't know what to say. Drinking? Picture yourself in an airport, about to put your kids on an airplane. As you're in line, the captain walks down the entryway, sipping on a Budweiser. Are you going to put your kids on the plane? Hey, he's only had a couple. My comments are GENERAL and pertinent to so many of the stories we read about each and every season. You're right- no one knows yet why these people died. Since reports say the boat continued onward it can be safely presumed they weren't using a lanyard system. Since it took hours to find them, it's presumable they weren't wearing vests- or at least sufficient vests. If you feel that sensitivity will inspire or inform someone about the safety risks we all are exposed to, you continue on that path. Myself, I'd rather post something harsh and controversial that gets people talking. Sometimes it takes a slap to get someone to wake up. Many times on here it involves a newer boater or a guy moving from a bowrider to a performance boat for the first time. If they hit this thread and any of this makes them safer, then the rest of you can go right on thinking I'm an a$$hole. These people dying is certainbly regrettable. If nothing else, I feel for their families. If it's determined that their own actions caused or contributed to their own demise, all I can say is that they made their own choices and they paid for them. You hit this one on the head. There was no need for these deaths and this tragedy represents a complete disregard and lack of understanding of the ballistics of high speed boating, which if allowed to get out of control will spin you out, launch you and your passengers into sharp, or unyielding surfaces in your cockpit, throw you overboard, or barrel roll on top of you. In addition after you are ejected without kill switch's hooked up, your "pleasure boat" could become a death missile looking for a couple of people fishing in a row boat. Given that set of FACTS, and the previous statement by a poster, and I quote: "No, I was not wearing a vest. I don't feel that makes me a suicidal a$$." Yep...I'm afraid it does....and hopefully not a dead one someday. T2x |
Originally Posted by Gunrunner72
(Post 2577116)
My favorite part of the original news video was when the guy said the boat floated "up" river with the current. Obviously, a very knowledgeable newsman.:angry-smiley-038:
The river was going up on the map. Yea, that's it, that's the ticket. |
Originally Posted by bouyhunter
(Post 2575372)
Pulled this pic from another site. The boat on the news story blurb video looked awfully similar to this boat.
Not sure if this was the boat but it is supposedly local. I took that picture at the Dolphin Inn on Ft Myers Beach. The owner of the boat was staying there for a couple weeks while we were there so we talked to him just about everyday. The docking situation was unique as you can tell in that picture. Nice guy, beautiful Scarab that he had put alot of time and money into. I talked to Travis, the owner of the Dolphin Inn to confirm his name. He was excited at first and said he was actually getting ready to confirm his reservation this year. Then I had to break the news to him............ RIP :( |
Originally Posted by TEAMBAJA
(Post 2577481)
I took that picture at the Dolphin Inn on Ft Myers Beach. :(
Beautiful boat. Very sad outcome to their day of boating.:( |
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2576808)
On lanyards-
If you fall out and your boat keeps going, it makes it harder for rescuers to find you. You're also risking other people's lives with your now-unguided missile. As mentioned, it's also harder to climb back on board and rescue yourself, not to mention that being run over by your own boat. I keep reading comments about how lanyards may not help you save yourself, ignoring the obvious and most important function they have... keeping the craft from injuring others. This leads me to believe that there's not enough discussion about lanyards. So, what downside exists to wearing one? On jackets- Do we really need to discuss why wearing one is important? Yet, many still don't. If you don't want to wear them, I really don't care. Unlike the lanyard, it's only you that you're risking. But maybe not- alot of the time I have less-experienced boaters or non-boaters with me. If I'm not wearing one, they'll likely assume they don't need one either. I think there's some implied responsibility there, but that's up to you. I know two people who drowned in separate incidents that 100% would have survived had they been wearing jackets. (one fell in after having a few and trying to take a leak standing on the sunpad- at night of course) I've been to the funerals and have seen their wive's and children's faces and I've seen the struggle they've put up to survive not having their husbands/fathers around. If you don't care about that or your own family, I don't know what to say. Drinking? Picture yourself in an airport, about to put your kids on an airplane. As you're in line, the captain walks down the entryway, sipping on a Budweiser. Are you going to put your kids on the plane? Hey, he's only had a couple. My comments are GENERAL and pertinent to so many of the stories we read about each and every season. You're right- no one knows yet why these people died. Since reports say the boat continued onward it can be safely presumed they weren't using a lanyard system. Since it took hours to find them, it's presumable they weren't wearing vests- or at least sufficient vests. If you feel that sensitivity will inspire or inform someone about the safety risks we all are exposed to, you continue on that path. Myself, I'd rather post something harsh and controversial that gets people talking. Sometimes it takes a slap to get someone to wake up. Many times on here it involves a newer boater or a guy moving from a bowrider to a performance boat for the first time. If they hit this thread and any of this makes them safer, then the rest of you can go right on thinking I'm an a$$hole. These people dying is certainbly regrettable. If nothing else, I feel for their families. If it's determined that their own actions caused or contributed to their own demise, all I can say is that they made their own choices and they paid for them. I've been pro-lanyard after losing a fellow waterman (at the time) when he was working the water by himself and fell overboard on his way back in. It was winter and it must have been a pretty awful death. The boat was found still running but he wasn't found for a few days. I think about it every time I go down to his now defunct crabbing and oystering house. That said, I do feel sorry for them and certainly I feel sorry for the families. God Bless. |
Very sad news indeed. Especially for the Scarab community. If they did in fact drown, no doubt the bodies will surface in a couple of days...
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After a double drowning on the Ohio River and a 24 hour search. Recovery crews have now pull a second victim from the water. Earlier Saturday, the other body was recovered. People on the river spotted an empty boat near the 275 bridge between Fort Thomas and California late Friday night. Crews have worked night and day on the recovery effort.
The victims are identified as 40 year old Jerome Colley, Jr. of Cincinnati and 49 year old Rudolph Crandall of New Richmond. Cause of death will be released after an autopsy. For the victims' families search crews know how important a quick recovery is. Crews worked night and day to recover these two men. Just after 10:00 p.m. that second victim was finally brought to shore. Now his family will be notified. It's a search that's had its challenges but was also propelled forward by strong eyewitness accounts. "The accounts from Kentucky shore and Ohio shore give us great location to search where the accident happened," says Andrew Hollenback with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Some may have witnessed the accident, others saw the empty boat from the shore, and they have given investigators good information to work with. "People, with modern day age GPS and technology on the boat will mark that stuff and call into us...really been helpful to us," says Hollenback. This green buoy marked the general location where sonar equipment picked up the second victim. But making the recovery in these murky waters even with a dive team, isn't easy. "When we send down a diver they're not always sure they're looking east or west. They can get disoriented and get off the pattern we were hoping for," says Hollenback. The big question surrounding this double drowning is simple what happened? What made the men go overboard? "Like with anything rumors start flying, we'll still investigate that...right now though, it's a one vessel accident," Hollenback says. So, how do investigators fill in the blanks? With those very important eyewitness accounts and by going back to accident scene. "Even when people left a boat, still evidence on the boat..we see what that tells us...put the two together and see what we come up with," says Hollenback. The boat has been impounded. Investigators will check it out to see if anything on the boat may have contributed to the accident. Investigators say life preservers were available on the boat but neither victim was wearing one. VIDEO: http://www.local12.com/mediacenter/l...com&navCatId=5 |
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