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Old 09-16-2008 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mccaffertee
T2x - OK, i know you are not a fan of the modern stepped V hulls, and George Linder is, is this correct? Why do you not like them? and does this apply to Cats? And how old were you when the first time steps were used? (just kidding)
I love steps on cats and hydros...where they belong. I also think that steps could work on vee hulls by increasing hull efficiency at between 50 and 70 mph or so ( maybe faster on larger hulls)....WITH....proper skid technology (anti spinout mods)....... The issue I have with them is the B*llsh*t that the current manufacturers have put out regarding their speed increases and stability...... It's hogwash in most cases. IMHO.

George is no more a fan nor critic of them than I am.......It was my idea to try them on the 21 Shadow...The simple fact is that they didn't give us any real speed on a pad bottom....... and they created a deterioration in handling during turns.

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Old 09-16-2008 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Top Banana
To answer your question....no, not for seaplanes, the first patent issued was for a racing type hull that was basically a flat bottom with many steps built into it.
We called them "shingles" back in the day when we were kids and racing small outboards out in the bay.........they were good for a few MPH on a flat bottom hull.

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Old 09-16-2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by T2x
We called them "shingles" back in the day when we were kids and racing small outboards out in the bay.........they were good for a few MPH on a flat bottom hull.

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That is just to funny I have heard that before (shingles) from a person very close to Harry S. Every time a certian brand was mentioned. Just to funny.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 05:53 AM
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in my knowledge in the performance boat category, the first was the monte carlo offshorer 27 and then 30.

created by carlo riva after he sold his yard. He was helped by Bob Hopps and Cal Connell.
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Old 07-21-2010 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by T2x
I love steps on cats and hydros...where they belong. I also think that steps could work on vee hulls by increasing hull efficiency at between 50 and 70 mph or so ( maybe faster on larger hulls)....WITH....proper skid technology (anti spinout mods)....... The issue I have with them is the B*llsh*t that the current manufacturers have put out regarding their speed increases and stability...... It's hogwash in most cases. IMHO.

George is no more a fan nor critic of them than I am.......It was my idea to try them on the 21 Shadow...The simple fact is that they didn't give us any real speed on a pad bottom....... and they created a deterioration in handling during turns.

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so the steps on v's today are just a sales gemic???
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Old 07-21-2010 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LAriverratt
so the steps on v's today are just a sales gemic???
I have no idea what a "gemic" is. If you are referring to a "gimmick", then my answer is....in most cases yes. Certainly many boat manufacturers followed others in a "monkey see, monkey do" revolution about 10 -12 years ago. I agree that steps increase efficiency and speed when the hull is "wet" beyond the distance from the transom to the step. If properly designed there is no doubt that introducing cavitation on the running surface will reduce friction and drag. That having been said a properly balanced non stepped, pad hull will eventually run on minimal wetted surface and exceed the speed where a step hull works. You must remember that once a step is out of the water it has no benefit whatsoever. The problem is that even in slower hulls that do find gains from adding steps, there is a price to pay in handling and safety , especially in turns, that, to me, is not worth the modest and sometimes minimal gains in straight line performance. As a long time boat racer, I value tractability and balance above any other handling attributes, so I would skip steps (and counter rotating props) in favor of predictability in almost every situation.

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Old 07-21-2010 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by T2x
I have no idea what a "gemic" is. If you are referring to a "gimmick", then my answer is....in most cases yes. Certainly many boat manufacturers followed others in a "monkey see, monkey do" revolution about 10 -12 years ago. I agree that steps increase efficiency and speed when the hull is "wet" beyond the distance from the transom to the step. If properly designed there is no doubt that introducing cavitation on the running surface will reduce friction and drag. That having been said a properly balanced non stepped, pad hull will eventually run on minimal wetted surface and exceed the speed where a step hull works. You must remember that once a step is out of the water it has no benefit whatsoever. The problem is that even in slower hulls that do find gains from adding steps, there is a price to pay in handling and safety , especially in turns, that, to me, is not worth the modest and sometimes minimal gains in straight line performance. As a long time boat racer, I value tractability and balance above any other handling attributes, so I would skip steps
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Can you further define this? Do you mean opposite rotation on separate drives, or do you mean on duo-prop drives? What is the reasoning?
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Old 07-21-2010 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by scarabman
Can you further define this? Do you mean opposite rotation on separate drives, or do you mean on duo-prop drives? What is the reasoning?
I mean "spinning in"........ wherein the rotational torque of each propeller creates additional outward leverage on the hull increasing the tendency to chine walk (and, in some instances, to barrel roll).

This is simple physics that some "experts" ( who should know better) routinely choose to ignore.....until they get wet.

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Originally Posted by T2x
I mean "spinning out"........ wherein the rotational torque of each propeller creates additional outward leverage on the hull increasing the tendency to chine walk (and, in some instances, to barrel roll).

This is simple physics that some "experts" ( who should know better) routinely choose to ignore.....until they get wet.
forgive me for my spelling...not one of my strong suits..just wanted an explanation on your view of stepped hulls on V's...good info to ponder... I do see your point. I'm not an engineer but I did play the part once at bar
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Old 07-21-2010 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LAriverratt
forgive me for my spelling...not one of my strong suits..just wanted an explanation on your view of stepped hulls on V's...good info to ponder... I do see your point. I'm not an engineer but I did play the part once at bar
Funny...... I think I played the part of a Gynecologist at the same bar.
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