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Old 02-12-2009 | 01:39 PM
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Hi Jon, thanks for the plug! I am looking forward to seeing your project run again.

Brad, you raise a good question. Turbines aside, how do we get beyond 1500 HP with current state of the art engines?

Better fuel? No, already running race gas.
Better heads? No, already got the best.
More RPM? No, valvetrain is already stressed.
More boost? No, intercooler is already too small.

And yet several engine builders have reached 1700 - 1800 HP using centrifugal blowers whether belt or turbo. How did they do this?

more boost with much bigger intercoolers
lower parasitic losses with more efficient blowers

These engine builders and the customers behind these projects are pioneers. Setbacks are to be expected when testing any new application; this is the only path to success. But important milestones are being reached. Sterling uses our single centrifugal race system on their Class 1 engines and they can qualify first and finish first.

I understand the customer who sticks with the status quo; who wants to go boating without hassles. A number of engine builders can sell you a reliable 1200 HP pump gas package. But some guys like to stretch the envelope and they deserve respect because the R&D they pay for trickles down. That's why you can buy a 1200 HP pump gas package today.

Just wanted to push back a bit for the centrifugal guys. We're not dead yet.

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Old 02-12-2009 | 02:28 PM
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Hi Jon, thanks for the plug! I am looking forward to seeing your project run again.

Brad, you raise a good question. Turbines aside, how do we get beyond 1500 HP with current state of the art engines?

Better fuel? No, already running race gas.
Better heads? No, already got the best.
More RPM? No, valvetrain is already stressed.
More boost? No, intercooler is already too small.

And yet several engine builders have reached 1700 - 1800 HP using centrifugal blowers whether belt or turbo. How did they do this?

more boost with much bigger intercoolers
lower parasitic losses with more efficient blowers

These engine builders and the customers behind these projects are pioneers. Setbacks are to be expected when testing any new application; this is the only path to success. But important milestones are being reached. Sterling uses our single centrifugal race system on their Class 1 engines and they can qualify first and finish first.

I understand the customer who sticks with the status quo; who wants to go boating without hassles. A number of engine builders can sell you a reliable 1200 HP pump gas package. But some guys like to stretch the envelope and they deserve respect because the R&D they pay for trickles down. That's why you can buy a 1200 HP pump gas package today.

Just wanted to push back a bit for the centrifugal guys. We're not dead yet.

Thanks,

Tom
No Problem Tom, your efforts are paying off for those taking the time to work with you and run your product ! Look forward to having you out again.

Jon

Originally Posted by tomcat

Just wanted to push back a bit for the centrifugal guys. We're not dead yet.

Thanks,

Tom
And your thoughts on Turbo's now that you saw turbo's make boost at RPM's way below the general public's perception while making big power at the same time ?


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Old 02-13-2009 | 12:18 AM
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Congrats to Jon, Tom E and Tom R as well as few others in that circle for pushing the envelope!

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Old 02-13-2009 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cougarman
If it is brought to market, cosmetic's will be brought up to meet the market demand's. This engine has been in use for well over ten years and function was priority over any thing through all the development years.

This is straight off the dyno, and going back in Bill's boat.
Main agenda is to let people know there is a Turbo package that finally works despite the beliefs associated with turbo's.

This one is in Check300's 30' V-Bottom
Earhart has one in his Eliminator Cat

And there are a few more being built for Offshore and I believe you will be impressed with the new packaging.


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HEY,,,i am looking for a sponsor for my raceboat ,,,,,why don't you just give me one of those as a sponsor and i will test it for you under real boating conditions !!!!??????
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Old 02-13-2009 | 07:09 AM
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Congratz to Jon, Tom E, and Tom R ...: now get it back in the boat and ready for the H20 ernaehrung004:
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Old 02-13-2009 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ON THE CHIP RACING
That thing looks like junk!I have seen hundreds of engine dynos and you can't load the engine under 2000 rpms.You must have some damn good crippy my friend.Dustin Why bother with a jerkoff


Hello and thank you for your kind comments ! First of all I'm not worried about the cosmetics
cause that is all easily changed after a product is fully developed from a mechanical stand point.

Not looking to have a war with you, Dustin or anyone else for that matter, but having your fact's
in order isn't a bad idea either. However we are all guilty of bad assumptions here or there.

As to seeing hundred's of Dyno's your either very well traveled, or have had hundreds of engines
built and use a different dyno source each time ? Sorry just trying to understand?

Any way's more to the point at hand, How do you think Diesel engine's are dyno'd ?
Most diesel's are lucky to see 3,000 RPM's and my Cummin's Diesel make's peak torque at 1,800 RPM's.
( I have that right in the Cummin's Spec's for my year engine) How do you feel they came up with that number??
Diesel technology has come a long ways to and more and more of them are pushing the higher RPM's
but for the longest time majority of them are on the low side of the RPM scale and that obviously gives
them the longevity.

For what it's worth Earhart Engineering has done it's far share of Dyno work for Diesel engines as well.

Further more not looking to drag R-Tech into this, But if he has time maybe he would kindly confirm
we are for real and the Dyno pull's are taken this LOW.


One finale question, Earhart, Check300, myself, and R-Tech are all member's of OSO and
all of us work closely with Earhart Engineering. That being said I believe all would stand
be hind my comments. Are you willing to call all of us liars ?

I think R-Tech put it best with this quote:
These engine builders and the customers behind these projects are pioneers. Setbacks are to be
expected when testing any new application; this is the only path to success. But important milestones are being reached.
Sterling uses our single centrifugal race system on their Class 1 engines and they can qualify first and finish first.

Bottom line is we are looking to educate those with a mind that are willing to learn.




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Old 02-13-2009 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman
Congrats to Jon, Tom E and Tom R as well as few others in that circle for pushing the envelope!


Thanks Saxman as you and your Father know the Earhart group,.......Two other's that need recognition to are Mike R. and ( Bill R. check300 )

Things have come a long ways !!


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Old 02-13-2009 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by daredevil
HEY,,,i am looking for a sponsor for my raceboat ,,,,,why don't you just give me one of those as a sponsor and i will test it for you under real boating conditions !!!!??????

Come out this summer to Michigan if you would like to see the results and become a believer.


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Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158
Congratz to Jon, Tom E, and Tom R ...: now get it back in the boat and ready for the H20 ernaehrung004:

Thank you also, we need to get together some time
Like to see your new power also !!

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Old 02-13-2009 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cougarman
Come out this summer to Michigan if you would like to see the results and become a believer.


Jon
I did not say ,,i don't believe u !!!!

I realy mean it ,,to get the product on the market faster and show it to people on the racesites,,,,Racers and Fans !!!!!!

++++ i realy need an engine !!!!!!

Sorry if u kind of got that the wrong way !
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