Your email is NOT banned. The only email that is blocked is AOL, and ALL aol addresses are banned due to issues with the way our servers work

Its clearly marked in the sign up sheet that you can not use AOL.

If you aren't using AOL, and had an issue signing up, its clearly marked how to contact me.

Thanks. That's great! I was making a generalization also.

FYI

As vast as the internet is and as accessible as information is one search for Steve Thomas or Long Duck Dong or anything related to him will easily bring up OSO. If BF doesn't want it over there, then so be it, OSO doesn't want BF promoting over here--no biggie, easy enough requests to grant really!!

Absolutly NOT! Believe me, we discuss everything and anything.

BTW--Welcome to OSO Zone:party-smiley-048:

Good deal that's why I was asking...:drink:

No it's that a$$ Zone that decides all that:party-smiley-004:
unless Stecz is logged in:eek:

Ok Ok enough going back and forth about the two sites:offtopic:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program

LDD where are you???????????? We are waiting for more lies from you to continue our show" As The LDD Lies":food-smiley-007:

My guess is he's under a rock somewhere.

Except speakers in housings that were paid for and not delivered, and possibly certain boat sales. Hey, he's had a tough year. It's ironic that LDD has caused OSO traffic to spike just as many thought it was doomed. But I can well understand why BF doesn't really mind missing out there :food-smiley-007:


I can only assume LDD is preparing to change all of his business names and screen monikers. Heck, Craigslist and other sites are filled to the brim with BS fly by nighters and jackoffs ripping off people. I'd not want my site to have these discussions either. Bad for business.

Thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate it.:ernaehrung004:

Well then throw us another piece of evidance to keep the ball rolling!!:signs069:

way to stir the chit:evilb:

Just wait till everyone is back from Key West, Ill bet this will go to 800 post in no time. :evilb:

I forgot what we were all talking about:p

found online

Zone
You as the administrator have seen people come and go. What really irks me is someone that signs into web sites to gain peoples trust and promote biz. There is nothing wrong with this practice however when the Fred Cecil's of the world screw people after they earn the respect from members have alot to be desired. I am sure you are monitoring LDD's actions on your site but charactor's in this league need to be stopped. I have done transactions with members here and have always had a good feedback. Only got burned once when I first signed up. As a consumer I will always research via google. LDD did not burn me but what someone needs to do is start a thread with his personel and biz name to allow "buyer beware" and the thread NOT to be poofed to let the consumer be the judge.

Ok so let me see the time line is something like this. Cliff Notes version...

1) LDD and buyer strike a deal on the boat

2) LDD draws up a contract that favor HIS interests much more then the buyer.

3) Buyer sees that the boat was damaged at the ramp while launching as was the trailer

4) Buyer asks for a survey from LDD and never gets it. LDD assures him that it was sent but never does.

5) Buyer gets cold feet because LDD is not providing the requested information.

6) The final payment is not sent on time (or ever)

7) LDD talks to the buyer 3 days after the final payment was due and tells him to pound sand even though the buyer offers to pay the balance when he gets down there to actually see the boat.

8) LDD puts the boat up for sale again on ebay. He waites for the auction to end how ever many days later and accepts a little over 17K for the boat that he sold the original buyer for almost 30K

9) LDD never offers to send the difference of the sale price back to buyer untill much later when he is confronted by others.

10) The confusing part is that it seems that the Ebay buyers did not buy the boat either and there are other people that got screwed out of the boat.

11) Buyer seemingly is going to take the lesson learned and vanish into obscurity and not go after LDD as he does not have the means to bring the suit.

12) Buyer in cassuall conversation with other board memebers tells the story and the other members get involved.

13) LDD puts up a post on OSO and tells the story and does not like what people so he deletes the thread.

14) New thread is up and we are finding out that LDD scammed others on the boat, deal gone bad with Joker, speaker deal gone bad.......

LDD honestly how can you not see the pattern. If you do not loose this case I will be shocked. First you can not take that much of a deposit and just decide to sell the boat for the balance owed. You have to get fair market value. The judge is not going to see fair market value of the boat at about half of what you agreed on with the origial buyer. Ebay does not get you fair market value on things such as boats. This IMO would fall under deciptfull practices and may depending on your state allow for tripple damages. LDD the funy part is that once they file the case your credit is going to be ruined and you will not be able to run the business as you have as you will not be able to get a loan with the dings on your credit. This is going to cost you HUGE. Forget about it being the correct or not thing to do, paying him back is likely the cheapest thing. I find it funny that you get involved in everyone elses dealings acting like a strong arm guy and then you screw people ten times worse. You are of the same ilk as Fred from Trick and a number of the other con artists that these boards have seen.

CORRECTIONS:

3a) LDD did not tell prostock about any of the damages, prostock read about the damage and saw the damages in pictures posted on Boatfreaks AFTER he had send the 14k

8a) LDD listed the boat on ebay, made a side deal with a guy for 18k, screwed him out of that as well and sold it off ebay to an unkown guy for $20,600

Scumbag!!?? where y'at LDD?

Aren't penalties more severe for internet fraud? Plus across state lines, and wire transfers???

Whats LDD's name?

Steve(n) Thomas

Prostock and Nordic95, I'm curious if you have discussed this with your sheriff or Federal Marshall? I would say there is a good chance they could come up with a few charges against him! I would check it out for this reason(an experience I had).

I was buying stuff from a guy I met on ebay. Was kindda too good to be true but he was in my home state so I knew I had easy recourse. Well after a little time it happened and the guy was into me for over 3K. Kept stringing me along and then bam....filed bankruptcy on me and several others.

I went to my sheriff's office and we pressed charges(theft by deception,etc.) 2 days before his court date I got a call from his lawyer. Funds were overnighted and case was settled. If LDD files bankruptcy you may loose quite a bit. If he stands the chance of jailtime you might be surprised how quick that 14K will appear!

Of course you could be doin it Vegas style and hoping for tripple damages! :D Seriously, I bet there is some criminal intent in this deal and a case could be made if you wish to press charges.

Also change 7. In a pm on Monday the 16th once LDD Tells PS he is keeping all the money PS even offers to wire the balance that night.

Can someone rewrite the summary with all these changes so we have a complete summary for newbies to read.Im tired of typing.

and the best part of this thread is LDD started it by trying to out nordic and stecz for calling him to try and talk man to man and come to some sort of arrangment,

true gem,

If LDD files bankruptcy you may loose quite a bit.::mad:: Is'nt there a difference between personal assets & the business assets that the boat was run thru ????

I was thinking the same thing.He claims it was a private sale but being he is the owner of the company and the boat was registered to the company and the company is not an LCC....I think we can go after him and the company and and and....

"If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!" J. Cochran
"Crack is whack!" W. Houston
"The Dong is wrong!" OSO

Can someone send me an email or a PM when this is settled???

I've read the facts that have been posted and I've formed an opinion. I'm really interested in knowing the final outcome and not all the BS in between. :drink:

I will try and keep this up to date for you Nordic. Just let me know when things need to be added. You are doing enough already. It is guys like you and all the guys that helped me out on my motor deal gone bad that still make this a great place to come.

1) LDD and buyer strike a deal on the boat

2) LDD draws up a contract that favor HIS interests much more then the buyer.

3) Buyer sees that the boat was damaged at the ramp while launching as was the trailer

3a) LDD did not tell prostock about any of the damages, prostock read about the damage and saw the damages in pictures posted on Boatfreaks AFTER he had send the 14k

4) Buyer asks for a survey from LDD and never gets it. LDD assures him that it was sent but never does.

5) Buyer gets cold feet because LDD is not providing the requested information.

6) The final payment is not sent on time (or ever)

7) LDD talks to the buyer 3 days after the final payment was due and LDD tells him to pound sand even though the buyer offers to wire the balance that day.

8) LDD puts the boat up for sale again on ebay. He waites for the auction to end how ever many days later and accepts a little over 17K for the boat that he sold the original buyer for almost 30K

8a) LDD listed the boat on ebay, made a side deal with a guy for 18k, screwed him out of that as well and sold it off ebay to an unkown guy for $20,600

9) LDD never offers to send the difference of the sale price back to buyer untill much later when he is confronted by others.

10) The confusing part is that it seems that the Ebay buyers did not buy the boat either and there are other people that got screwed out of the boat.

11) Buyer seemingly is going to take the lesson learned and vanish into obscurity and not go after LDD as he does not have the means to bring the suit.

12) Buyer in cassuall conversation with other board memebers tells the story and the other members get involved.

13) LDD puts up a post on OSO and tells the story and does not like what people so he deletes the thread.

14) New thread is up and we are finding out that LDD scammed others on the boat, deal gone bad with Joker, speaker deal gone bad.......

Audiofn, thanks

It's just hard to keep up. I don't recall seeing where others had been screwed on this same boat. How did that happen?

When you look at my time line it interesting to see that.

5/21 2000.00 deposit received by LDD.

5/27 LDD writes contract and faxes to PS.Took LDD 6 days to write contract?

5/30 second payment is due to LDD Three days to read contract and get money to LDD or lose 2000.00 deposit?Sounds fair to me!!!!

Anthony

Read post #381 and read all post by that member.

hey anthony. did you get the bear???

I will try and keep this up to date for you Nordic. Just let me know when things need to be added. You are doing enough already. It is guys like you and all the guys that helped me out on my motor deal gone bad that still make this a great place to come.

1) LDD and buyer strike a deal on the boat

1a) May 21: buyer sends 2000.00 deposit

2) May 27: LDD draws up a contract that favor HIS interests much more then the buyer.

2a) May 30: Buyer sends second check to LDD only 3 days after the contract is sent with the terms.

3) Buyer sees that the boat and trailer were damaged at the ramp while launching.

3a) LDD did not tell prostock about any of the damages, prostock read about the damage and saw the damages in pictures posted on Boatfreaks AFTER he had send the 14k

4) Buyer asks for a survey from LDD and never gets it. LDD assures him that it was sent but never does.

5) Buyer gets cold feet because LDD is not providing the requested information.

6) The final payment is not sent on time (or ever)

7) LDD talks to the buyer 3 days after the final payment was due and LDD tells him to pound sand even though the buyer offers to wire the balance that day.

8) LDD puts the boat up for sale again on ebay. He waites for the auction to end how ever many days later and accepts a little over 17K for the boat that he sold the original buyer for almost 30K

8a) LDD listed the boat on ebay, made a side deal with a guy for 18k, screwed him out of that as well and sold it off ebay to an unkown guy for $20,600

9) LDD never offers to send the difference of the sale price back to buyer untill much later when he is confronted by others.

10) The confusing part is that it seems that the Ebay buyers did not buy the boat either and there are other people that got screwed out of the boat.

11) Buyer seemingly is going to take the lesson learned and vanish into obscurity and not go after LDD as he does not have the means to bring the suit.

12) Buyer in cassuall conversation with other board memebers tells the story and the other members get involved.

13) LDD puts up a post on OSO and tells the story and does not like what people so he deletes the thread.

14) New thread is up and we are finding out that LDD scammed others on the boat, deal gone bad with Joker, speaker deal gone bad.......

Did the damage happen after the deposit was received or prior?

Damage was done by LDD before the deposit was received.