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Opinion - which single engine hull is the fastest
Winter (and broken Merc outboard again) has me down and I keep thinking about putting together a project.
I want a single engine boat (V-bottom) 24' or greater that would make a good race boat as well. I'm looking for the fastest hull Hp for Hp. Yes, my project will be diesel but that has no effect on the question, I need to determine what hull I would start with? It doesn't have to be a boat currently in production, I would start with a used boat that runs great now so I have a baseline to work with. There are soooo many out there now Activator, Phantom, Fountain, etc, etc which is faster? Joe Gere |
Wow, your asking a open winded/opinionated question. Fastest single engine hull would probably have to be a 26 Velocity, however not by design, by weight, theyare about 1000lbs lighter than anyone else. However I would suggest a 27 Fountain, or 29. a couple clicks off from a Velocity butbuilt much stronger.
I am sure you will get plenty of opinions:ernaehrung004: |
27 or 29 Kryptonite !!
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I have ever seen write something that was not full of opinion? LOL
Does anyone have speeds of these boat with a 500hp? Krypto, Act, Vel, Beak, Bat, etc? |
We ran a 27 kryp race boat to about 80 with a stock 500 efi.
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howard made the fastest single engine v, so they could be in the running
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I think I heard it from a pantera owner first....... Its not how fast you go, but how well you go fast:D
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
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I think I heard it from a pantera owner first....... Its not how fast you go, but how well you go fast:D
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Originally Posted by HabanaJoe
(Post 2734990)
I have ever seen write something that was not full of opinion? LOL
Does anyone have speeds of these boat with a 500hp? Krypto, Act, Vel, Beak, Bat, etc? Gordo's 25 Active Thunder ran 80mph with a sealed 500HP. It was a light lay up boat, but also had a full cabin. |
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2735001)
I think I heard it from a pantera owner first....... Its not how fast you go, but how well you go fast:D
I actually say ... "It's not how fast you go but how fast you get there" |
How fast you think that white 30 Phantom in the classifieds runs? I believe that was the twisted sticks boat. With a stock Merc 500/525 XR you guys think it will run 80?
The last 26 Velo I was in was a drivers boat. A lot of walkin! over 75 |
a 290 velocity with a real cabin and a 8'3'' beam and a 525 hp with run 83+ full of fuel and ready to spend a day out boating. Not stripped down with no cabin and no gas. My 280 ran 68 with a stock 365mag. with a 500hp they are over 80 and if set up right with the right prop you can drive them with one hand at 80 .
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A friend of mine had a 27' Profile with a stock 454 mag that ran 70, took 4-5 footers with ease. Before he got rid of it he was talking about getting a 502 efi and was thinking that would put him in the 80's easy. That boat ran/handled awesome, wish I had the money to buy it a few years ago.
And yes, we were stupid and tubed off the back of it once at WFO! |
I was gonna say 260 velocity... but i'm biased ;)... powerboat magazine did a test of one with a full cabin and the H.O. 496 (425 hp) and they got 80 mph out of it. Mine is the 375 hp version and i've gotten 68.1 (gps) with three guys gas and cooler etc. It did take me some time to be comfortable with her at w.o.t. but now is no problem. When I was shopping I looked at a 27 fever with the same power train and was told it was a low to mid 60 mph boat at best. Plus no steps on the Velocity ...... Just my opinion based on what little knowledge I have...
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Heres a very comprehensive list!
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Originally Posted by HabanaJoe
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Winter (and broken Merc outboard again) has me down and I keep thinking about putting together a project.
I want a single engine boat (V-bottom) 24' or greater that would make a good race boat as well. I'm looking for the fastest hull Hp for Hp. Yes, my project will be diesel but that has no effect on the question, I need to determine what hull I would start with? It doesn't have to be a boat currently in production, I would start with a used boat that runs great now so I have a baseline to work with. There are soooo many out there now Activator, Phantom, Fountain, etc, etc which is faster? Joe Gere Here's the most complete baseline Ive found to date. It will take a bit of work, but is way better than reading 20 years of 4-5 magazines. Sticking with the actual numbers and ignoring the "80% story 20% fact" postings on this site you can get a good feel for the spread between a mfgrs cats and v's as well as what they run with 2-3 types of mills. You will also be able to see the difference in straight hulls vs stepped hulls within the same vendors line of otherwise identical boats. What you'll find is that the spread between vendors hulls using the same HP is far less than the chin music would indicate. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 |
Uncle dave that's a great list!
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
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Here's the most complete baseline Ive found to date. It will take a bit of work, but is way better than reading 20 years of 4-5 magazines.
Sticking with the actual numbers and ignoring the "80% story 20% fact" postings on this site you can get a good feel for the spread between a mfgrs cats and v's as well as what they run with 2-3 types of mills. You will also be able to see the difference in straight hulls vs stepped hulls within the same vendors line of otherwise identical boats. What you'll find is that the spread between vendors hulls using the same HP is far less than the chin music would indicate. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 |
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Originally Posted by 007joe
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Uncle dave that's a great list!
Magazines almost always have factory people on site for speed runs so as to insure that the magazine guy "knows how to get the best out of it" and to insure they arent getting ripped off as the emphasis on speed is a big draw in the sales department I'd love for someone else to actually post some different real data rather than opinions or complaining about the incompleteness of this data. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 |
30' Superboat Y2K, Simply the BEST !!!!
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Uncle Dave
Great list, that puts it in perspective - thank you! |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
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I was lucky to find it and a fascinating read.
Magazines almost always have factory people on site for speed runs so as to insure that the magazine guy "knows how to get the best out of it" and to insure they arent getting ripped off as the emphasis on speed is a big draw in the sales department I'd love for someone else to actually post some different real data rather than opinions or complaining about the incompleteness of this data. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 Bottomline up until now for true "offshore" in the roughest of all conditions my personal opinion for all out is the 41' Apache. From there on down there are a lot of great makes including Laveycraft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7mSxOAg-UU |
From that list the Velocity 26 and the Phantom have to be some of the fastest Hp for Hp.
Although this is a great saying, "It's not how fast you go but how fast you get there" - it's not about comfort or ride, this exercise is about speed. |
Originally Posted by HabanaJoe
(Post 2735130)
From that list the Velocity 26 and the Phantom have to be some of the fastest Hp for Hp.
Although this is a great saying, "It's not how fast you go but how fast you get there" - it's not about comfort or ride, this exercise is about speed. |
Pantera,
I don't think best comes into play here. When boat magazines do their tests they always go to nice water to get top speeds runs. I drove all the SH boats for the mags in the early years, we always found water that was condusive of making the boat go fast. Yes, we would go outside and jump some waves but the real tests are in protective waters. When it comes to "best" not to digress here but the Apache 41 couldn't hold a candle to our SH 38 in the rough stuff. We could catch and pass the Doller Marine boat anytime we wanted, the problem was it (SH 38) broke more than it should have. That boat couldn't turn, was wet as hell, kept breaking infront of the cockpit, the engines had trouble, the trans would pop out of gear and it chined walked so bad the wing tips actually dipped in the water when running beam. Here's a question for you - is the fact that the Apache 41 did it better and easier than the SH 38 make it the best or is the fact that the SH 38 could beat the Apache 41 make the SH the best??? |
What about this one. 21ft and 135MPH. Big power but impressive anyway :evilb:: http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ft-135mph.html
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Originally Posted by HabanaJoe
(Post 2735135)
Pantera,
I don't think best comes into play here. When boat magazines do their tests they always go to nice water to get top speeds runs. I drove all the SH boats for the mags in the early years, we always found water that was condusive of making the boat go fast. Yes, we would go outside and jump some waves but the real tests are in protective waters. When it comes to "best" not to digress here but the Apache 41 couldn't hold a candle to our SH 38 in the rough stuff. We could catch and pass the Doller Marine boat anytime we wanted, the problem was it (SH 38) broke more than it should have. That boat couldn't turn, was wet as hell, kept breaking infront of the cockpit, the engines had trouble, the trans would pop out of gear and it chined walked so bad the wing tips actually dipped in the water when running beam. Here's a question for you - is the fact that the Apache 41 did it better and easier than the SH 38 make it the best or is the fact that the SH 38 could beat the Apache 41 make the SH the best??? What I meant about "best" is what a person in general may feel is best for them. Some like "bling" on their boat while some like clean old school lines...different strokes for different folks..is what I mean. Ultimately comes down to personal preference ....Top end speed, wave crushing capability, handling etc. Angel |
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Or this one: Norwegian Hydrolift C-24RR, 24ft, 600HP and 100MPH. It will do 70MPH with 320HP:
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Angel,
I know what you mean, I just wanted to envoke an opinion about what makes something the "best" and see if you would cave on your Apache statement. My own personal best/favorite is by far the Apache 41. Is it fast - no, it is the most stylish - no, there are more negatives than positives about them in todays world, BUT - I LOVE THEM TOO!!!! Sunnydays, Also a WOW, never seen nor heard of one before but it sure seems to fly! |
Lets see mmmm Velocity
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a wide body Bad Boy 32 ran well into the 90s all season long on a bravo no chine walk
Doesnt JC have a 100+ act and there was a 18 donzi that went over 100 with a big small block... |
Originally Posted by HabanaJoe
(Post 2735135)
Pantera,
I don't think best comes into play here. When boat magazines do their tests they always go to nice water to get top speeds runs. I drove all the SH boats for the mags in the early years, we always found water that was condusive of making the boat go fast. Yes, we would go outside and jump some waves but the real tests are in protective waters. When it comes to "best" not to digress here but the Apache 41 couldn't hold a candle to our SH 38 in the rough stuff. We could catch and pass the Doller Marine boat anytime we wanted, the problem was it (SH 38) broke more than it should have. That boat couldn't turn, was wet as hell, kept breaking infront of the cockpit, the engines had trouble, the trans would pop out of gear and it chined walked so bad the wing tips actually dipped in the water when running beam. Here's a question for you - is the fact that the Apache 41 did it better and easier than the SH 38 make it the best or is the fact that the SH 38 could beat the Apache 41 make the SH the best??? |
Super Hero / winged Buzzi 38, I have many pics of it on here.
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Seems so
Originally Posted by Velocity Vector
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Lets see mmmm Velocity
Yup- VV Velocity - pretty impressive. I'm pleased with my pet brands showing as well. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 |
2005 HOWARD 28 BULLET
All Composite Lay Up Recently clocked at 130.3 mph on GPS, making this the fastest 28' stern-driven single on earth! Comes complete with a fresh warranted TPI948 R and a 2008 Billet Max Machine Worx drive. http://www.tpboats.com/inventoryforsale.html |
Originally Posted by Velocity Vector
(Post 2735172)
Lets see mmmm Velocity
(sorry VV,:drink: I had to.. something about slack between, oh nevermind!) :sorry: |
007joe,
Do you come over by the Highlands, maybe run around the rivers there sometimes? |
Never been up the rivers but went to spermacetti cove a few times this summer...
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Originally Posted by 007joe
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VV... I love all the scientific research and documentation you provided us to back your opinion :eek:
(sorry VV,:drink: I had to.. something about slack between, oh nevermind!) :sorry: |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 2735191)
Yup- VV
Velocity - pretty impressive. I'm pleased with my pet brands showing as well. Uncle Dave LaveyCraft 2750 Ilmor 710 LaveyCraft 20.8 406 |
Single engine Fountain,Activator,Superboat,Kyrptonite,Velocity,H oward on flat water?Donzi,I may have to go with Allison:evilb:
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