nyc boat show cancelled?
 

Heard this today ! :eek: Anyone know more?

That is a bad sign if it is true!!!!:mad:

it's generally a terrible show anyway.

only for performance boat, otherwise ,great show and an even better excuse to come down and drink in the city

thats what boat show means to me. heavy drinking.

Website still says its on (New dates this year 12/13-12/21)

http://www.nyboatshow.com/?source=google_ny_2009

This is true! I always head in on a Saturday afternoon and start boozing at the show. Usually end up at one of the many "Brother Jimmy's" to watch the Tar Heels and down some Fish Bowls.

Not the best show in the world, but was great to hit when I used to work in the city. Just a 10 minute subway ride, and I was checking out a ton of cool boats, and drinking a beer.

AC was the best in the area by far.

Tom your rite it was canceled and then they reschedule it a week earlier. discounted booths. it will be a flop no money no loans no boat sales. maybe we can still do the njppc annual lace run www.laceclubs.com
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McGary:

You used to live in the City but now live in Jax? We have something in common. Just moved there from NYC.

Randy

Close. Lived on the Jersey Shore, worked in the city, and my company (ML) moved me to JX.

I am looking forward to hitting one of the legendary boat shows down here, either Lauderdale or Miami. That's a 5 hour drive tho. (see, still on topic :) )

The Javits center is pricing itself out of the convention market. If anyone here has ever been an exhibitor there, they will know what I mean.

They have really high prices, extremely high paid union laborers that you need 3 of to do anything, and its becoming less of a destination. Compare to Orlando, or New Orleans at much cheaper pricing, and cheap airfare its a matter of time before all conventions start leaving.

Boat, car, motorcyle, and other shows like them that have to be regional will be the only ones left.

Boat shows are becoming a thing of the past.

When a big company like Mercury decides that they did not deem it worthwhile, to spend the money to be at the Fort Lauderdale Boat show a couple of weeks ago, that speaks volumes.

The internet is becoming the choice of many builders now as the range is so wide and each interested buyer can actually get a real answer from the ones in the know, they won't be dealing with a "fill in for the boat show help guy."

The union scams at the NYC boat show have/are killing it. They steal, charge outrageous fees to do nothing, are mandatory. It sucks. Miami--the ultimate show.

$150.00 to plug in an extention cord and another $150.00 to unplug it.:mad:

Sounds like the UAW ..... and we know where thats headed :rolleyes:

Hell I run a Union/Non Union company in NJ /NY Journeyman w package cost me $97.00 per hour and we need to make sonething on top of that. The Unions ruined it the workers are making big money 200k its sick
And Oama is pro union so its only going to get worse

the same thing happened at the chicago trade show ,all because of the unions

Years back Bay watch girls,Larry Holmes a couple of big wigs here and there:drink:The past few years not so good :eek:I think he's right about the internet thing:rolleyes:But to go eat & drink in NYC is worth it:evilb:

Randy,
Where did you live in the city? And what was this story Wild Bill was telling me about in miami with a helicopter?
Jr.

Absolutely, I always go each year just for the parties..... and to see which jumpsuit Reggie is wearing!:party-smiley-004:

oops

Don't be so quick to bash the Unions. The company I work for is union and the owner is doing pretty well. I've worked for both, and the non-union contractor I worked for didn't offer any type of retirement no healthcare and I got screwed on prevailing wage jobs 5 times that I know of. Who knows there may be more. The unions are there to protect the workers rights so they don't get screwed by greedy contractors. Don't make such a general statement about union workers cause there are good union workers out there as well as good company owners and contrators.

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The statement was about the union workers in the Javits. They are pricing the shows out of existence, when they really need to do is compete better with the internet. What good is worker protection if there is no more work??

Now, here is why I blame it directly on the unions at the Javits: 150 dollars to plug an outlet in on top of rental is ridiculous, at least they charge you again to unplug it :). Try to bring in any of your own things that they also rent, and they will be broken or damaged the next morning. 3 guys needed to run a forklift (yes, i know why 3).. but for 5 minutes of forklift time it costs you the full hour. Then, they almost DEMAND a 50 dollar tip, and if you don't the next morning something in your booth is broke or has a grease stain. Then there is the attitude, oh and god forbid you need to get something at your booth in a timely matter and there is a coffee brake scheduled. All this on top of some of the most expensive exhibit prices in the country is not a good combination.

I would hate to know what marinas pay to get boats into the show by union riggers, ontop of the already ridiculous booth space costs.

so its true reggies name comes up in every thread lol :grinser010:

Unions are destroying America. The pendulum has swung too far in the unions favor. If unions really existed to "protect the workers rights (whoever said a pension or any benefit was a right) so they don't get screwed by greedy contractors" that would be fine. But the biggest source of greed in America today is in the unions. Unfathomable, unbridled, off the scale greed. It is not executive compensation that is destroying GM, it is the unions. It is not "greedy mgmt" that has destroyed the manufacturing base in America, it is the unions.

Unions were a great idea when pay was 10 cents a day for a 15 hour day, 7 days a week. Now they have gone too far in the other direction. It is self correcting tho, millions of unionized workers have lost there jobs as manufacturing moves over seas and as the American auto industry self-destructs, all thanks to the unions.

No rational person can believe someone should be paid $150 to plug in an extension cord, and a system where these type of abuse happen is bound to fail (like GM)

looks like they moved the show back to it's traditional dates that were from way back, it always was a nice mid winter break to get rid of cabin fever go to the city have a drink or 2 go see the tree at rock center then stroll around the show, the last good NYC show was when Cig was there with the debut of the playboy edition, the last couple of years we have skipped the show taken a day or two midweek and made a mini vacation at the AC show.
doing business in the city and having friends that work at the javitz, and in locals in all the trades in the city that's just the price of doing business in NYC

in fact i'll be drinking with them watching todays giant's game

i'll tell em they are the scourge of the boat show circuit ;)

I predict you will see many Boat shows either cancelled or scaled way back this year. From a dealers standpoint, I can tell you the COST to us is STUPID. We did 14 diff show last year, we have commited only to 3 this year. I have argued with the promoters, told them that the pricing is unjustified, my exact words were "Either you cut the cost in half, or we are doing half as many shows, you all choose"

WILL:angry-smiley-038:

Oh but it is ok for the auto industry CEO's to go to the federal gov't and beg for money and they fly down in private jets which cost $20000.00 to fly round trip. Why can't they fly coach on a commercial carrier for $288.00 round trip or if they can't stoop that low fly 1st class for $818.00. What else are they doing with these jets. The news reports that GM and Ford both have 9 private jets in their fleet, and they have no plans to to reduce thier fleet. Also union workers only account for 14% of the wage and salary earners in the USA. Even 25yrs. ago unions only represented 20%. That is a pretty low percentage to be bringing down the whole US work force. I know $150.00 is crazy to charge to plug in a extension cord and I don't believe in destroying property but all unions aren't bad.

Actually, GM announced they were selling off a couple Friday..

As far as them using them: I have a meeting with CONGRESS..

I HAVE to be there for the welfare of my company..

I can fly commercial elbow to elbow with NO room to prepare with my colleagues, or I can take the company jet..

No brainer dude, don't be such a hater...

Probably would be cheaper to fly commercial the day before, get hotel rooms and prepare at the hotel, then it would to use the private jet. We all need to make sacrafices and just remember the CEO's are the ones that signed the union contracts.
I'm not a hater. I'm very happy with all the union contractors I've worked for. Everyone shouldn't be hatin' on the unions here.

Can you say ----- K I C K B A C K S :rolleyes:

I can say first hand that unions are not effective at all. I work in all the major shipyards that build Navy ships...from subs to Aircraft Carriers. There is a ship yard in the south that builds the same ship that is build in a shipyard in the north. The south yard builds 2 1/2 ships to every 1 ship built up north...SAME SHIP...Guess which yard has a hard core UNION!!!!:cool:

what was this thread about? i forgot:drink:

I am a small indapendent contractor.

We hear the story from guys who are Union all the time and even they laugh at the STUPID union rules.
They make big money, they cant do this ro cant do that and have to stand around and wait for the other crew to come and do some BS that they could have done in two minutes.
All the time the clock is ticking and money is going down the drain.

I know there are many good things the Unions have done for the work forces of america but as stated earlier what good are union rules if they price th companies right out of the game.

As with any story there are two sides to each one and good and bad on either side but these Unions need to take a hard look at the situation at hand and scale back a bit so that people dont lose thier jobs.

(quote) As with any story there are two sides to each one and good and bad on either side but these Unions need to take a hard look at the situation at hand and scale back a bit so that people dont lose thier jobs.


I agree and I belong to one of those unions which makes provisions to get work. Some jobs get paid a lesser rate to keep the members working.

Its good to hear someone out there at a union has some common sense.

I think it was about how Fountains are faster or something:evilb:

Oh Sh!t! I never thought I would be the one to start it in a thread!:angry-smiley-038:

Only compared to Formulas!:party-smiley-004::drink: