Not to change the subject.. BUT.. I read an article recently:

A man awoke to find an two intruders in his house. Through the darkness he seen a shiny object in one of the intruders hands. He reaches for his gun in the night stand.

He fires round after round chasing them through the house..
He kills one. Serious wounds the other.. he knows he is in trouble. He calls the police.. They arrest him. He talks to his lawyer.. The lawyer tells him he is being charged with 2nd degree murder. They offer him a plea bargan of 12 years.
The Media make him out to be a vigilanty and the two Thugs to be born christians. The Rapp sheet for both of these intruders were 4 pages long.. His day in court: he go 20 years.

This is a TRUE story it happened in England. where there is no right to carry firearms.

My point is: I have heard and Read things that get so turned around that it is the furthest thing from the truth.
He may get his day in court... But with out PROPER Counsel.. WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH!!

just my .02

Do you guys believe everything you read in the news?

To stop the speculation, here's some facts that I've heard from someone VERY close with the family:

Its not an 8 year old case...It over the past 7-8 years.

1 million bail (pretty common on a 7 count felony case)

Gary was recorded by the police in what's called a "cool call" (not a "sting" or a "set up") where he admitted to the aligations.

Now, carry on deabting this and that but there need be no speculation. And remember just because someone knows someone that was falsly accused or because he was such a great business man and a fireman doesn't have anything to do with this case.

Let the court system do it's job. He's still inocent until proven guilty in a court of law by his peers.

Don't hang him yet, and don't blindly defend him either is my suggestion.

I was friends with Gary, I have one of his engines, I enjoyed spending time with Gary and his family his step daughter is 15 years old not 13, During the time with Gary and his family I could not imagine that this would have been going on...all the kids in the neighborhood hung out @ there house and Gary was all about his family, if convicted I can honestly say that there is no way to judge anyone, because I didn't see any signs of a child molestor but they say they really have two sides and they are very rarely noticed. I don't know all of the details but I do know more than I will discuss on here. Everyone needs to stop talking chit and be concerned about Garys wife Teri and the Step Daughter whom I will not mention her name if all aligations are true, it will come out in the trial, but I think that everyone that knows Gary would like stay in the loop of his court apperance. We don't need smart azz on here that have no idea who the man or his family was putting there two cents end or this thread will end up where the other one did and for very good reason...Again keep your thoughts with his family you may all think that being in jail would be horrible but if all is true his wife and step daughter will endure this for the rest of there life.

Anyone on these forms knowing Garys family need to try and help them not because of Gary but because of what the family is going through...

Very well put

As with yours...I agree 100% and our thoughts are with his wife and her daughter.

Redline you are correct about not blindly defending him which I may have been. I was just trying to point out that what seems is not always the case and I must have read the 8 year thing wrong. I will butt out of this as I actually know nothing about this case.
I just have some strong feelings about a person who I know of who was charged with a similar crime with a step daughter and when it all came down to it the step daughter said she was put up to it by her mom. But not after his name was drug throught the mud. I was just relating to that.

very well said.

DITTO!!!!


:blaster:

If this is really true this does lead me to lean to he is guilty doesnt it

If we are to give him his day in court why would we say he admitted to it?

I have my personal beliefs on the subject. I'm just relaying a fact in the case to qual the "set up" and conspiracy theories based on the fact Gary was a "great guy", a "great business man" and an "honest public servant". 7 felony counts and a million dollar bail speaks volumes as well.

But we (the general public) wont know all the facts until the case is heard. Then, when both sides make their claims, we can base an opinion on all the facts known.

We both know the court system is flawed. Some are prosecuted that are truely innocent and more often than not some are set free that are truely guilty. The court system feels it is better to free 100 guilty than inprison one innocent.

All I'm saying is, wait until both sides stake their calims. Then, wheather he's found guilty or not, everyone can make an educated presumtion of guilt or innocents based on all facts known.

Gary plead not guilty to all charges. Next court date Feb 23rd
1:30 pm

A very similar casr like this happened to a friend of mine's employee. STEP daughter accused him of alot of ridiculas wrong doings. His bail was set at 100,000. After 3 years of embarassment and humiliation and butt loads of money, treatment, blah blah blah the truth came out. He was inocent.

Here you can see his pleas. Not guilty for those wondering.

https://public.courts.ventura.org/pu...SONNUM=3768417

Try this one

https://public.courts.ventura.org/pu...SONNUM=3768417

What The Heck Its The Same One. I Wonder Why It Didn't Work?

Your link without the prefix
public.courts.ventura.org/pu...SONNUM=3768417

And mine
public.courts.ventura.org/pub-bin/tsrvweb.exe?tserve_trans_config=casecase.cfg&=CASE NUM=2008052237&PERSONNUM=3768417

Mine was copied from the website and yours from a post. No more no less :ernaehrung004:

https://public.courts.ventura.org/pu...SONNUM=3768417

Sorry guys didnt see you posted this. Pleas of Not Guilty entered for all counts. Next court date Feb 23

The charges seem to be vague as far as acts committed.

Just the facts maam
 

This info sounds suspect

Why would the police share this info with a friend "close to the family."
If it happened as you say I think they'd most likely STFU about it so they could use it as evidence.

Am I missing something?

Sounds like Gary didnt exactly admit to these allegations either.
Elites link shows NG plea on all counts. (thanks Elite)

Thisistank- can you state the actual source of your "facts"?
Seems the "facts" that we can all read plainly contradict yours.
You are speaking with quite a bit of authority that doesnt seem accurate in light of recent information. Not saying you didnt hear that- it just doesnt seem right.


Fat Tony called it. Look at these "sentences."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=53859

Like I said earlier well see which charges stick and which are BS.
Not defending anyone, just want to make sure the guy gets his day in court.

Uncle Dave

Innocent till proven Guilty.

Uncle Dave,

Your post is full of assumptions. No, I won't out the source. And no one ever said the investigators shared info. If the close friend of the family wishes to come on here then he can. Until then he can keep his annonimity. All i can say is consider the source. Take it for what it's worth. Believe it or don't. Won't change the case. However, I don't see how this info contradicts the other. He wants a trial, so he plead not guilty. Not really that big of a suprise.

True...this did happen in California. ;)

It seems like you may be closer than all of us to this problem because of the way you construct your post- We dont know your source so how can we consider it?

You are using the word "facts" in your previous post.

Facts- arent allowed to become "facts" until they are proven.
If you cant PROVE it we have to assume.

"Your post is full of assumptions." And no one ever said the investigators shared info-" - who did the cops have on the line then?

Either you aren't telling us everything you know, or your source is BS

Was the friend of the family hearing the "cool call" in the room with the cops or Gary? Who else would have told the friend? Who else could have known about a cold call besides the cops- or the accusers? just how did the friend get this info?

IF you really have an inside scoop Id like to hear more, but I don't see how you can ask us to accept a friend of a friend story as cannon.

Why would anyone want to remain anonymous if they heard gary confess to being a pedo? I sure wouldnt want to be anonymous. Id be telling everyone.

The DA has already met with the mouthpieces and put the cases on the table.If the case was open and shut(true recorded confession) Gary'd have copped a plea.

Based on it going to trial Im going to predict this will be a long deal.


Uncle Dave

First, I wasn't saying consider my source, I was saying consider me as a reliable source to relay the info. I've been a member here for many years and many on here know me. So I report the info as fact, which it is. Take as fact or don't. What YOU believe isn't going to change the facts or the outcome.

Second, yes, I know more than I have posted. No need to go into details. I still have some beleif in the justice system and believe we should all wait until the outcome of the trail. So even though you'd like to know more, I don't think it's appropriate to go into details.

Third, why would someone want to remain annonymous? Well, I assume some people close to this case are in shock and awe and disbelief. I assume they have better things to do than come onto a boating website to inform a bunch of people that have nothing to do with the case.

Fourth, a "taped confession" and a pretext call are two completely different thing.

I'll say of again. Stop with the assumptions and wait for the case to unfold. Don't hang him nor blindly defend him until all the facts are known.

Facts vs Hearsay
 

You print a condemning statement and claim it as cannon fact.

Then rather than prove its fact and explain to us the details of a suspect story you told - you expect us to blindly believe you because you are a veteran poster.

I then question your "facts" & I'm now being told to "stop assuming."- laughable.

If you read my posts you see IM the guy that first called out he needs his day in court and that Ill be the first to get the rope is hes guilty- so I appreciate you re-iterating to me what Ive already called out.

Dont turn your lack of backup when questioned about your stated facts into an issue with me "assuming things." -

The only thing Im trying to get at - is the truth.

You are the one posting sweeping condemning statements.

If I were doing that Id be prepared to answer questions in great detail.


Uncle Dave

Tanks a straight-shooting, standup guy. Period. I believe whatever he has to say and so should the rest of the board.

You turning this place into a courtroom

I've gotten the impression that the so called facts are coming from Gary's wife or a friend of Gary's wife. I have read similar posts on other forums that were posted by one who claimed to be Gary's friend until these charges were filed.

I find the "I heard from a friend of the family" comments that are being thrown around, troubling. One could say, "I heard from Gary that he didn't do it" but that wouldn't any more factual that some of what has been posted here.

Let's leave the hearsay out of our posts about this issue.

Uncle Dave,
Are you familiar with Tank's profession?? Maybe just maybe he knows someone at the watercooler around the office that just may know something as fact!!!

Have a great Day,
Patrick

Ok UD, you win...take it as hearsay. Like I said, it really doesn't matter if you believe it or not. Just trying to shed light on the case. Still doesn't mean he'll be found guilty. My only attempt was to help those blindly defending the guy because he's a fireman and a good mechanic; two things that have nothing to do with the case.

For some reason those that blindly defend him remind me of another notorious case of same allegations of a member here. Many blindly defended due to his profession and he'd been around a long time.


And you and I agree in what counts. Give the guy his day in court. End of discussion.

Trouty!

We agree.
 

We see eye to eye.
You have strong support here and seem connected.
Ill stand down and watch.


Uncle Dave

My only attempt was to help those blindly defending the guy because he's a fireman and a good mechanic; two things that have nothing to do with the case...uncle dave



Are you serious. it has alot to do with the case it shows what kind of a person he is. My god it shows his character. What would your opinion be is it said he was a d***bag? your already convicting him and it says hes a firefighter what would you say if it said he was a drug dealer. this thread is getting stupid.....again

You just took Thisistanks quote and changed it by adding my name to it.

As I stated in my last post - Im finished discussing these points with Thisistank.

Who are you addressing in your altered quote? Him or me?

I dont want to speak for Tank - but I believe the point we are agreeing on is he's innocent until proven guilty no matter his line of work.

Uncle Dave

What exactly is a "cool call"? Is that the kind of thing where the alleged victim, or someone else, calls the alleged molester and gets him to discuss it, to prove he did it? But if so, then what is a "sting" or a "set-up". Is there a proper definition of these things for a case like this?

Very good question.

It is actually a "Cold Call" It is when the police in a controlled setting have the "Victim" call the suspect with a series of questions or an outline to stay on point on a taped line. The "Victim" then gets the "Suspect" to admit everything and talk about specifics. That way the Police department takes the tape to the Prosecuter and they then issue warrants. In fact it is not hearsay and it is almost always admissible.

If they have him on a cold call he is done. HE will have to plead the case out period.

And yes I have done these they are much better than a confession.

Now I do not know anyone involved so these are basic police techniques, and accepted nationwide.

actually yes, it was my statements, not Daves.

And yea, I'm serious. character may come into play when sentencing but has nothing to do with a case.

Troutly ring a bell (cop and friend to many on here)? How about OJ Simpson (well respected actor and sports hero)?

And no, I'm not convicting him. In the big scheme of things, our opinions don't really matter. He'll be tried and judged. But go back and read some of my posts on the various threads.

I've said it several times: Don't hang him and don't blindly defend him. The legal system will do it's job.

I don't know all the details, just some. I still say, let the courts do its job. And I still say, his character doesn't matter during trial, only the facts.

Good summary. Except in Ca. it is actually called a "cool call".

I however disagree with your statement "he'll have to plead the case out period". Too many variables. Remember you're dealing with California Lawyers. :rolleyes: Or more likely a plea bargain is being hammered out and will take time. in the time being a "not guilty" plea is smart. Plea guilty and it's all over.

Guess we'll just wait and see.

I am floored that you have 11 posts and none about boats that I have seen:rolleyes:

I don't think there is an actual definition of "Set-up". I believe it is viewed as a situation where someone is falsley accused or arrested for something they didn't do after law enforcement did something to make it appear they did.

A "sting" is commonly considered a longer investigation. Where someone is observed over long periods of time, many times observed while commiting crimes, I.E. drug sales, prostitution, buying/selling stolen property, etc. Nothing where there is a "victim" being directly harmed or the potential for harm.

Hope that helps.