300hp Outboards
 

hi guys,
I'm refurbishing a runabout, and "surprisingly" want lots of horsepower in outboard form.

What would be the best ? I think 2 strokes becaue the weigh alot less. Many people opt for the (2 stroke) yammy 300 HPDI's can anyone tell me the specs on those?

cheers

I would do Verado it's better than a 2 stroke, but if I did a 2 stroke and wasn't racing it the E-tec seems the best, if racing the Merc. but the 4 strokes are the way to go even more if you want to sell it later.

Yam 300 HPDI's , I would shy away from, heard of a lot of problems from owners.

FOUR STROKES WHY!!!!!!.......whats wrong with the MERC 300 OPTIMAX

Lighter, faster, better fuel economy no oil changes, no winterization.

Only down fall is having to urchase 2 stroke oil. I rather do that any day.

Re-Sale I agere with ....only because the consumer is un-educated

And yes the E-Tech is also up there IMHO but MERC forever!!

And be careful if u do go with a 4 stroke they are tearing the transoms out and resposnible for sinking boats at docks due to the increased weight. Another words make sure your scupppers dont go below the water line!!!

I'm a big fan of the Merc 300XS motors, Verados are great as well. XS motors are *****in setups though

300xs I think is the way to go.Great on gas too.

I have 300 verados and they are great! My dad has 300 HPDI Yamahas and he has gone through three power heads in under 120 hours.

300xs opti if you are setting up a performance boat four strokes are for fishing boats

Sonny,

From what Ive been told, the XS motors are good for lighter boats. If it is a heavy boat, XS not so good.

Check the boys over at screamandfly.com They really know their outboard stuff...

Sean

Sonny Crockett,

You need to get over to Scream & Fly.com and do yur homework!

What kinda boat you goona rig?

4 stroke OB's are for the fish boats. Unless our gonna build a triple Verado.

If you wanna go fast with a pad v or a cat its 2 Strokes all the way.

In the right configuration the 2S OB will smoke a 4S OB or IO rig anyday.

If its a big deep water v or pad v thats a different story.

If you wanna be along a stock pwer 28-30ft deep V in a twin 300 OB cat runnin 75-80 and stab to 105 right now, the OB Cat is way to go and is gonna win.

ok. it is a 27 foot deep V. Non centre console. And no planing pad. am going to build on a complete new hull extension to house the outties.

Here you go 300XS
 

If you go to our website www.teamshogren.com and look at the eliminiator under other used boats you can see a set of new (less than 15 hours) with warranty 300XS. Feel free to make fair offer.

Regards,

Scott Shogren

www.teamshogren.com

847-336-9037

Fountain & Baja By Fountain

Don't forget the 350 Verado:ernaehrung004:

2 Strokes are way more thirsty than a 4 stroke and the reason for for more outboards being sold is that the consumer is educated and they know a better product when they see it. Yes some older boats would need work for the extra # and some hulls just wouldn't be right, motor to motor the 4 stroke is better. Just look at MX bikes the 4 stroke rules unless you are one of the stunt guys that needs a motor that is easy to flip upside down because of less rotating mass. The 4 stroke is so much better they even changed the rules to run the 250 2 stroke with the 250 4 stroke and they still cant win. 2 strokes are a thing of the past and in a few more years the 4 stroke will be even lighter then there wont be any reason to buy a 2 stroke unless the person just wont change.

On top of it all the 2 stroke is loud and smells and you have the messy oil tanks, look into the bilge of an older 2 stroke.

2 strokes
 

If you want to go fast and have no maintence go with a 2 stroke. The 4s' weigh to much and are best used in twin ,trip or quad application. I have a velocity with twin 280s' and would not even consider a 4 stroke. I have plenty of friends with verados. They are pigs. Any my 280s' get great fuel economy if you keep the rpms' down. My .02 cents. Bob :drink:

EXACTLY!!!:grinser010:

But I will say that I drove my buddies 35 latitude with 4 strokes and it was nice and had a lot of torque.

Just not a two stroke though. Nothing like a 2 stroke screamn....especially 4!!!!

LIKE THIS!!!!!!:evilb:

and of course the old school smoky 250 EFI's that are on my boat :evilb:

but why would you
 

My opinion if you keep the rpms down in your 2 stroke your going to slow/.:ernaehrung004:

I aways like the way that boat looks but do you think if you ran 3 350 verados it would be faster? Right now per Merc specs. you have 1000 hp and 2010# or 3 350's 1050 hp 2001# plus you must carry what 20 gal. of oil in it right?

Either way the boats bad a$$ and a boat like that would do good with 2 or 4 stroke power.

And I am with you on the way you like the sound, I myself like the big block V8 but on the CC I am going to buy would perfer it to be very mellow like the Verado other 4 strokes just sound like an engine.

Thanks:cool:............. dont get me wrong the Verados are nice......... I know every body is on the 4 stroke. Dont count out the 2 strokes they have a lot to offer.

I'm not trying to be a smart as$ just wondering if 3 would be better. I am not an OB guy yet but I am getting a CC most likely with 2-3 verados.

I know if you took a boat like a 42 OL and put 3 525's with bravos then the same boat with 850's and # 6's the hp and lbs. is close to the same but the 850 boat is faster, the props are in cleaner water and a better balance to the boat. With outboards they don't have as much tq. so the props are smaller so does having 3 4 or even 5 just keep getting faster or is it better to run fewer and more hp.

The 300XS motors are awesome and great on gas. I do have a pair of 300 Promaxs for sale. They look like new and are $18,000 for the pair. Gearcases are included, but not in these pics. They are 1998-1999. I also can sell you new 300xs motors. Verados are fishboat motors. Depends on what boat you have.
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The 300XS motors on my 30 liberator run 97 mph and still get almost 3 mpg at 55 mph.
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So this means that with less legs in the water means less drag even which means more speed even though there is next to no difference in pony's?

With most stern drives it is, thats what I was asking about the outboards. I will be getting a (fish boat ) but not for fishing but I geuss if you buy a 35-40 CC it's a fish boat.

Better for???????? I didn't put four on for practicality, I could have stayed with twins and it would have been a 60 mph boat.

There is a reason for four it's got nothing to do with speed or economy.

For me its all about the shock factor :eek::eek::eek::eek:, having something differnent and unique that no else has and keeping the heritgae of the Miami Vice days and Midnight's alve!!

The US Customs uses quads offshore for reliablity. It's not likely four will break down. It is likley that one or even two no matter how advanced the equipment is, the sea is a harsh place. When your 50-90 miles offshore especially in the gulf you want to have every advantage you can...coming home is a big one. I have broken down with having one engine limping back home 70 miles out in heavy seas got home at night fall........it was not fun.

Smugglers used..uses them for the same reason........the more the better.......no I am not a smuggler nor do I advocate any form of smuggling ( look at my OSO name should tell you a little about me).

Triples for a large center console that you are using offshore for fishing are perfect.

With this its not about top speed, its about reliablity and fuel economy and maintaining a fast cruise speed.

My 37 Midnight CC with triple optis (TOP LEFT PICTURE WITH BLACK RADAR ARCH AND BIMINI) that I sold cruised at 40mph in any ..any sea condition and would top out at 60mph. Perfect for what is was made for. (used to have quads on it it was a smuggler with 1,000 gallon fuel cap.)

A guy in Florida with same style Midnight switched out his 225 efis for4 new verado fourstrokes and couldnt match the speed of the old efis nor could he ge it out of the hole. TOO HEAVY....... but this boat was made with a O/B bracket.

The new Midnights , Ventures etc.....have integerated plattforms and they can carry the weight of the 4 strokes.

I still argue that the lighter two strokes would still be faster any day, still provide better economy and less maintaince hands down. Quieter maybe not but not by much. I am boring 2" holes in my mids to let out the exhaust above water!! OLD SKOOL

Here ya go lapseofreason ..........your in heaven 5 VERADOS :evilb:
reportedly mid 90's.

In all serousness the new Merc 300 opti (2 stroke) is made for performance boating, it will out perfrom the veardo on any boat, but its under Merc racing products. Mercury racing.com

It may not be right for your application.

Look at the Southern Kingfish Association site.

Them boys got nothing but big center consoles with trip 2strokes and they fish every day.

But the VErado maybe right for you.......again I was impressed with my buddies 35 latitude CC. I took it through Govt cut inMiami and I was flying offshore at 70 mph with twins.Had a lot of mid range torque, just felt like a 4stoke:p

I have been waiting for the real #'s on this boat to come out. Joe at Midnight was telling me last year to wait till I see what he as coming and that was the boat. As I said I am not a huge OB guy I have a little skiff with a 30 hp on it but thats it, my next boat a CC will be my first real OB boat. I don't fish I just want a smooth mellow ride for everyday use. I am in the Motorcycle biz and the 4 strokes took over in every way about 4-5 years ago so I geuss the OB just hasnt yet. All the good jetskis and jet boats are all SC 4 strokes all thanks to the EPA.

Yep the EPA but the etecs and optis comply.

Joe and I speak once in a whille, yuo should call him.
That boat I believe does 95MPH.

I put a video up of the interview with Harris at the Miami Boat show.

Its under the video forum.

So I guess youre not a HAYBUSA type guy...I pegged u for a road king type..I could be wrong.:D

And thats kinda the reference I am trying to make between 2 and 4 strokes.......not that theres anything wrong with either.

3 X 350

:evilb:

I've also got some upgrades for the Verado's, as well as the 250 and 300xs motors.

Check out www.thehulltruth.com

Nope I work on Jap. bikes, I do a ton of Busa's doing 2 zx 14's right now. I hate the fat tire kits on sport bikes because it kills the handling but I still do at least 1 a month. I do a lot of motor work and dyno tunning. I am a road racer (at a real track not the street) I feel right at home with my knee on the ground at 100 mph and I play in the dirt with my kids and friends. I do some Harley Custom work mostly just dyno work not a Harley fan they are a dated motor I like to keep up on the new stuff. I have had a few but the bikes like the Road Star from Yamaha are a great bike to do custom work on I have done 3 that the customers put a ton of cash into and they win or get 2nd in every show they enter they dont cost as much either.

Joe would love to sell me that boat but I am looking for a lightly used CC, I dont want to spend more than 150 and would rather spend around 100. I dont need it to be the fastest thing mid 60's is fine. I am gonna buy a ZRC for my speed fix.

Two strokes have a better power to weight ratio period. I would take a 300 Opti over a 350 yami any day. I know those motors are overweight cows. I would put them on the bigger Intrepids, Contenders ect.. Not anything that you would expect to get any speed from...

I never said a thing about a Yamaha 350, we are not moving barges. And know they do NOT have a better power to weight ratio period. Maybe in the Highest output outboards but not in the motorcycle world.

But the 350 Verado would be the go if it is light and has that much of a power diff?

who the hell owns that!
What length and ME model is it?
they dont come stock like that?

Midnight Express is a custom builder, thats a 37 I dont think their 39 is wide enough for 5 motors. They will build it any way you want. There is no stock Midnight.

300XS are Great! I burn 28-30 gph going 90mph in my 28 Skater.Its hard to beat that!:D

Your above statements are true for conventional two stroke technology, but for modern 2 stroke direct injected outboards such as Mercury Optimax, I don't agree with you. Mercury Optimax outboards are very fuel efficient and are pretty close with 4 strokes, sometimes even more fuel efficient. No smell either.

Yes DI is great I took 2 see doo's home one weekend when we had a party at my house and 1 was a di the other carbs , same ski and motor, we ran them both all day and we were looking for a fuel leak on the one with carbs it was like 3 to 1 on gas.

Merc. still list the 2 strokes as using more gas than the 4 stroke but not near as bad as it was. They still get gas twice as much.