after reading that I would laugh and walk out of the dealership no turns at 40 what the phuck. try reworking your design phuck nuts or take the steps out of your design:party-smiley-004::p:p

yep down shift going into the cornor and 1/3 in gas it back up if Iam saying it right we did it in a porsh and a 74 pantera yellow, I love those cars, one afternoon we came up to a hairpin tyrn out in the country with a 20 or 25 mph posted speed we went into at 60 and 70 it was tight azz curve you come out at 90 to 100:p. we did it both ways.

Actually, this sign should be placed on the dash of every boat.:grinser010:

Bingo thats so true

True fault resides with mother nature, if the water wasn't so flat the driver would have been paying closer attention to what he/she was doing...

Stupid nice day's in Bulgaria -DOOH!

Straight bottom V's are not immune to failure when turning. A 32' Signature at a race in Barnegat Bay, NJ 30+ years ago barrel-rolled going into a turn at the north end of the course near Bayville, and it killed the driver. I was there, saw it in person. That was not a design defect accident.

Steps have their uniqueness, but all V's can bite ya if you don't know what your doing. I see you have a 28' Apache in your profile, ask Ike or R-Addiction about going fast in 28' Apache; their great boats but sh*t happens, it almost killed R-addiction at a NYC Poker run many years ago. And both Ike and and John (R'Addiction have experience/seat time), sh*t happens.

The more seat time the operator has the better off the operator will be. If there is a design defect, I have been avoiding this term on purpose, and if there is a a more feasible design to avoid this operating flaw, or better safety precautions could be implemented (cost effectiveness), then... I am not giving legal advice on this issue, I am a performance boater who does not handle Tort/Product Liability law. If a performace boater (or any boater for that matter) gets hurt boating, due to his or her own risk-taking and stupidity, the injured should live with the consequences of their stupidity. Stupidity is the numb-nuts in this Cig video.

I do agree, if you cannot slow down going into a turn, then that is a concern, but Step Bottom design/manufactuere is a plus for performance boating, look at the top end, straight-line speeds, Fountain , Outerlimits, - I will live with and welcome the added speed at the risk presented. Nuff said!

The majority of this thread reminds me of the cat that wrote a check for a class a motorcoach. It was his first. Anyway, he gets settled in on the interstate on his way home. Decides its time to make some coffee, after all this is a motor(home). Puts it on cruise control, gets up to walk back to the kitchen to make his coffee - bus careens off the road and crashes.

Now clearly, it was the coach manufactures fault for not explaining to the guy with more cash than brains that you can't do that along with the k-jillion other things that you can't do.

Somewhere along the way, we need to educate ourselves about the machines we play with.

LMAO!

Were not talking about what COULD happen in a 20 and 30 year old boat in race conditions. This cigarette and many others are tossing guys left and right at very slow speeds and in calm conditions. You shouldn't have to toss away basic maneuvering just to pick up 10mph. If your that desperate for speed then buy a cat.

The f-ed up part about the above story is the motorhome owner actually won the suit against the manufacturer. Big dollars and a brand spanking new motorhome...

It was a 70 mph race boat, not much different than what you own. It did happen. No need for a cat, I will stick with step V bottom, works great and will probably run mid to upper 90's this with mild power, my father father's old straight-bottom 27' Magnum could not come close to this Phantom with the same power. I like to go fast in a straight- line, but have turned the Phantom sharply at 85+ mph, no problems. I just don't have the mulla ($$$) for a cat; a 28' or 32' Skater would be ideal, and yes, I am desparate for speed that's why I love performance boating. I would race every hot-rod I could when I am out there, why else have a hot-rod boat - that's the way I have been boating for the last 25+ years?

You gotta be chittin me .. right????? :grinser010::grinser010:

skaters have a design flaw two cause the two brothers with the big power off long island years back wipe out and got killed and what about the outerlimit accident in the poker run or the guy in the APACHE in NYC poker run few years back that lost it on his madden voyage maybe apache has a design flaw too, all brands have had there share of accidents. i have been nexed to steppewd bottom cigs in ruf water at high speeds and no problems all the pics are on sharkeys website.

Dude, give me a break!:rolleyes: Tossing guys left and right?? Seems like a bit of an overstatement. There are hundreds, if not thousands of stepped cigs and the like with no issue. Have you had some of these dangerous stepped hulls out run you lately? Seems like you may have hull envy...

As for going to a cat... gee, do you think those hulls may have some quirks of their own? I owned the boat below for 7 years. Ran nitrous oxide. 110+mph. I am sure someone without a clue could get into trouble much easier in this rig than a stepped V. The DRIVER is the one responsible.

Good point on the Skater, The Malia brother's of Sewell, NJ (the town next to where I live) were killed in a 36' Skater off of Sea Isle City, NJ. The boat did not have a failure, structurally, according a post-accident inspection, no one never knew what really happened, driver error is the suspected culprit.

It can happen at anytime in any type of boat. But I would rather be in a Skater going fast than any other cat. I am willing to take that risk. I just need a rich uncle to leave me his estate in order to afford this risk taking desire.

All brands do have their share of accidents, EXACTLY!

What is that cat? A 25' Talon?

Close. It's a 22' Talon.:drink:

I have tons of respect for the guys that have smaller hot-rod cats like the Talon,and hot-rod Allison's and HydroStreams, it takes balls and skill to drive those boats fast, and getting the most out of the boat before backing out of it. Cool boat.

Hey, thanks a lot Smarty!:ernaehrung004: The Talon was a blast. Literally PINNED you in the seat on the bottle turning 28" Mazco cleavers. Those were the days... Couldn't THINK of getting insurance on a boat like that nowadays. Oh well...

Sorry for the hi-jack, carry-on...:p

Was it the white turbine skater?

No, it was a piston powered boat, I was told it had Mercury 900's, six drives. Know one knew what exactly happened, the end result was horrible, people died that were out trying to have fun. Could the Skater have been designed to avoid this accident (in a non-raceboat form - without full canopies and restraints)? My answer is - not sure since no one knows what happened. I do know this - I feel for their families of the deceased.

I don't think that is a real story. I head that as a "dumb blond" joke.

Nort you are correct....

http://www.rvtravel.com/blog/rvsinth...e-lawsuit.html

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp

Nort, don't you realize everything reported on OSO is fact!!??

Oh. Well I read it in the Enquirer...

Stop reading you'll get hurt.

Leave that "using your brain crap" to your gf!

well, at least theres one good thing................
 

the Mercruisers kept on tickin!! Geez.......... what a waste