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drypipetiger 02-21-2009 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by rbhudelson (Post 2805480)
The majority of this thread reminds me of the cat that wrote a check for a class a motorcoach. It was his first. Anyway, he gets settled in on the interstate on his way home. Decides its time to make some coffee, after all this is a motor(home). Puts it on cruise control, gets up to walk back to the kitchen to make his coffee - bus careens off the road and crashes.

Now clearly, it was the coach manufactures fault for not explaining to the guy with more cash than brains that you can't do that along with the k-jillion other things that you can't do.

Somewhere along the way, we need to educate ourselves about the machines we play with.
The f-ed up part about the above story is the motorhome owner actually won the suit against the manufacturer. Big dollars and a brand spanking new motorhome...

Smarty 02-21-2009 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2805544)
Were not talking about what COULD happen in a 20 and 30 year old boat in race conditions. This cigarette and many others are tossing guys left and right at very slow speeds and in calm conditions. You shouldn't have to toss away basic maneuvering just to pick up 10mph. If your that desperate for speed then buy a cat.
It was a 70 mph race boat, not much different than what you own. It did happen. No need for a cat, I will stick with step V bottom, works great and will probably run mid to upper 90's this with mild power, my father father's old straight-bottom 27' Magnum could not come close to this Phantom with the same power. I like to go fast in a straight- line, but have turned the Phantom sharply at 85+ mph, no problems. I just don't have the mulla ($$$) for a cat; a 28' or 32' Skater would be ideal, and yes, I am desparate for speed that's why I love performance boating. I would race every hot-rod I could when I am out there, why else have a hot-rod boat - that's the way I have been boating for the last 25+ years?

stainless 02-21-2009 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by drypipetiger (Post 2805545)
The f-ed up part about the above story is the motorhome owner actually won the suit against the manufacturer. Big dollars and a brand spanking new motorhome...
You gotta be chittin me .. right????? :grinser010::grinser010:

tony stamis 02-21-2009 06:23 PM
skaters have a design flaw two cause the two brothers with the big power off long island years back wipe out and got killed and what about the outerlimit accident in the poker run or the guy in the APACHE in NYC poker run few years back that lost it on his madden voyage maybe apache has a design flaw too, all brands have had there share of accidents. i have been nexed to steppewd bottom cigs in ruf water at high speeds and no problems all the pics are on sharkeys website.

4mulafastech 02-21-2009 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2805544)
Were not talking about what COULD happen in a 20 and 30 year old boat in race conditions. This cigarette and many others are tossing guys left and right at very slow speeds and in calm conditions. You shouldn't have to toss away basic maneuvering just to pick up 10mph. If your that desperate for speed then buy a cat.
Dude, give me a break!:rolleyes: Tossing guys left and right?? Seems like a bit of an overstatement. There are hundreds, if not thousands of stepped cigs and the like with no issue. Have you had some of these dangerous stepped hulls out run you lately? Seems like you may have hull envy...

As for going to a cat... gee, do you think those hulls may have some quirks of their own? I owned the boat below for 7 years. Ran nitrous oxide. 110+mph. I am sure someone without a clue could get into trouble much easier in this rig than a stepped V. The DRIVER is the one responsible.

Smarty 02-21-2009 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by tony stamis (Post 2805582)
skaters have a design flaw two cause the two brothers with the big power off long island years back wipe out and got killed and what about the outerlimit accident in the poker run or the guy in the APACHE in NYC poker run few years back that lost it on his madden voyage maybe apache has a design flaw too, all brands have had there share of accidents. i have been nexed to steppewd bottom cigs in ruf water at high speeds and no problems all the pics are on sharkeys website.
Good point on the Skater, The Malia brother's of Sewell, NJ (the town next to where I live) were killed in a 36' Skater off of Sea Isle City, NJ. The boat did not have a failure, structurally, according a post-accident inspection, no one never knew what really happened, driver error is the suspected culprit.

It can happen at anytime in any type of boat. But I would rather be in a Skater going fast than any other cat. I am willing to take that risk. I just need a rich uncle to leave me his estate in order to afford this risk taking desire.

All brands do have their share of accidents, EXACTLY!

Smarty 02-21-2009 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by 4mulafastech (Post 2805584)
Dude, give me a break!:rolleyes: Tossing guys left and right?? Seems like a bit of an overstatement. There are hundreds, if not thousands of stepped cigs and the like with no issue. Have you had some of these dangerous stepped hulls out run you lately? Seems like you may have hull envy...

As for going to a cat... gee, do you think those hulls may have some quirks of their own? I owned the boat below for 7 years. Ran nitrous oxide. 110+mph. I am sure someone without a clue could get into trouble much easier in this rig than a stepped V. The DRIVER is the one responsible.
What is that cat? A 25' Talon?

4mulafastech 02-21-2009 07:01 PM
Close. It's a 22' Talon.:drink:

Smarty 02-21-2009 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by 4mulafastech (Post 2805609)
Close. It's a 22' Talon.:drink:
I have tons of respect for the guys that have smaller hot-rod cats like the Talon,and hot-rod Allison's and HydroStreams, it takes balls and skill to drive those boats fast, and getting the most out of the boat before backing out of it. Cool boat.

4mulafastech 02-21-2009 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 2805614)
I have tons of respect for the guys that have smaller hot-rod cats like the Talon,and hot-rod Allison's and HydroStreams, it takes balls and skill to drive those boats fast, and getting the most out of the boat before backing out of it. Cool boat.
Hey, thanks a lot Smarty!:ernaehrung004: The Talon was a blast. Literally PINNED you in the seat on the bottle turning 28" Mazco cleavers. Those were the days... Couldn't THINK of getting insurance on a boat like that nowadays. Oh well...

Sorry for the hi-jack, carry-on...:p


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