Purchase deal went wrong. Need Advice
 

Group, i purchased a pair of 588 motors from the Offshoreonly Classified, and the seller indicated on the bill of sale the motors were in good running condition and also in several emails, after receiving the motors and going deep into them, noticed it was all messed up and both blocks had cracks in them. Called the seller and he did not want to do anything with it. I am in California and the seller is in Missouri. Any recommendations??? :nhl_fight::violent-smiley-021:

Yikes.. Did they come from LOTO? Was it a dealer or individual?

is he on oso normally???

What ad and give us some info! Bummer!

It just goes to show you can't trust anyone anymore:mad:

Like stated above, "can't trust anyone anymore".......

Kinda like a Super Chiller deal I heard about!!

pm me the info, there are 3 shady characters in that area, That I know of, I will get you some info on them..Thanks Jeff

NICE!!!

Karma's a bit(h huh? :)

With Some More Info. We Might Be Able To Help,or At Least Not Let It Happen From This Seller Again.

:eek::D:ernaehrung004: http://www.speedwake.com/upload/show...threadid=60162

Empire007 just got a taste of karma since he screwed over a guy on Sunsation's site for a set of super chillers. DominatorScott is on other boards and is well respected on Sunsation's site (and has the fastest 32 Sunsation out there, 114mph I believe) so I would say this Empire is a scammer.
http://sunsationboats.com/forums/sho...ed=1#post34775

use the extra money you got for the superchillers towards fixing your motas....and try and learn something from all this:angry-smiley-038: don't ask for support when you've screwed the pooch!

I was thinking if they are the 588's that came out of certain skater at LOTO I find it hard to believe the engines had issues since the guy is about as meticulous as they come. That why I was curious which ones they are.

Not to mention the fact that the Skater ran several mid 140mph passes in the Shootout the last time it was out. I agree the seller is about as meticulous as they come and one of the most standup guys I know. Definitely a man of his word... Correct me if I am wrong, but the engines in question were listed at $60k fresh and then lowered to $30k and you can rebuild them. You opted to purchase them for the lower amount and rebuild them yourself. Engines were also complete less exhaust and you paid ten cents on the dollar for them. So.... What's the problem..???
Regards

I think that when buying used engines or a used boat with anything except stock Mercs (even that) you will not klnow what you have till you blow both of them up.

If I get 15 minutes out of used engines, whatever the person selling says I think I am ahead of the game...

Try to get good stuff on the outside what you can inspect and pray for what's inside....

You bought USED 1000hp engines that would normally sell for 100k+ new. You took a chance on a great deal and now you are complaining because you have to invest more than you bargained for on the rebuilds. Is there any way the seller could have known about the internal engine problems??? I highly doubt it.
Those engines were running when they were removed. I have known the seller for several years. He is a straight shooter, no bs guy.

Here's the deal anything high perf has the 5/50 warranty

5 minutes or 50 feet whichever comes first....Do your due diligence because again anything hipo is a shorto live theoretically speaking

I had a pair of super chiller for sale for last three months, Dominator Scoot is been asking for them for the past two months and he has been going back and forth with the deal and got me down to a low price and then he wanted to pay with a credit card, which i don't accept and then with three different cards. I finally got a buyer for full price and told scott if her wants it, would be full price of listed, he indicated, no and i told him my deal will go through on Friday 12:00 p.m., if it does not it's his. My deal went through. I did not screw anyone over, Scott should have jumped on it and it would have been his. You got the wrong story my man.

Mike wrote:
Here is the letter from my mechanic. I don't care of internall parts. Yes, they were used and needed a rebuilt, but both blocks being cracked and looks like someone had done the scam inside the motor as well. Read the report from my mechanic, it will explain if it all.

Hi Mike,

Yesterday I went over to the machine shop to check the satus of your engines. I was not very happy when I saw the results. After boring the blocks we found two cracks in each block, in the same place ob both blocks. In cylinder # 3 & 5 about half way down. The strange part is that they are staight lines in a circular direction ( the do not follow the direction of the piston-up and down). Pete (the machinist) has never seen a crack in this form before, after consulting with other machine shops and myself, we decided that it is too risky to try to sleeve the block. We are afraid that the block will try to separate, the deck from the bottom. It is our conclusion that the engines had water in them at freezing temps which caused the cracks.

After further inspection of the rods and pistons, we found a large dent in one piston. The funny thing there is that there was nothing in the block or oil pan that could have caused this. My thought is that the engine had a failure at some point and they did a half-ass repair, removing the broken part and bolting it back together.

These engines are a mess! The valve seats are severely pitted as well as the valves (in the cylinders that are cracked). We can not identify what brand of rods are in the engines, they appear to be an inferior rod for the application. The crankshafts are forged, not billet. This is fine for an eight to nine hundred horse power engine but not twelve hundred. I think that someone has sustituted good parts with junk! We checked the CC's on the pistons, they measured at 33 ccs. This will put the compression at around 10 to 1. Way too high for a supercharged pleasure boat application! This motor should be at about 8 to 1. I am glad we decided to tear down the engines. If we had bolted them in and ran them as is, they probably wouldn't have lasted through the fist day!

At this point we are giong to need to replace the the valve seats, rods, pistons and blocks. I have attatched a picture of one of the blocks with the dye check on it ( the red lines indicate the cracks) and a picture of one of the cylinder heads (showing the pitting from water) I am working on getting together an estimate for you . Talk to you soon .
Thanks
Mario

either post names, or pm people on the board that can possibly help you... don't waste everyone's time with a he said she said thread that goes on for pages of negative bashing and no one get's anywhere... it's real simple. Thank You and have a nice day. Jeff

Also to make another note to your friend. If his not a BS person, he would have cooperated with me as well. I am taking full legal action on him, and my attorney has already contacted him, and he has denyied everything, that the motors were in good running condition as they were in his boat. This is not an answer, the motors could not even lasted for one minute. He pulled a good one and i will make sure this would not happen to anyone else in this group. Being a Private Investigator, i will not tolerate this. If you would have come clean and indicated that he is out of money, like he told he his house is on foreclosure and he has not money. Well BS he has lot's assets, just one of his cars is over 100K

Scott, stop telling your frineds a wrong story, you did not have the money and it took over 2 month, so i would not say anthing about a bad Karma.

It was from an individual, His name was Jeff Brozovich. I will find the add that was listed in Classifieds

I really don't know

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Scott, i have all the emails and to prove what and ******* you are, with the deal, i will look and find the emails on Monday, so i could prove that there was no deal, until i would call you on Friday by 12:00 p.m. if my other deal did not go through, which it did, so how did we have a deal, when you have been going back and forth for past two months and never had the money and at the end, you indicated you had to only use a credit card and then you had split it up into three different cards. Come on, your a big man, what the F***k are youy talking about. I will put the emails for everyone, so they know about the truth.

Scammer my ass, if you don't know the story, i would not put any comment out there

Karma is a bit(h huh) i do agree and it will get him back soon in the legal action for dumping 23K on someone

It never fails to amaze me, anything over 3K I inspect myself. Purchased two used High HP motors AND NO ONE WENT THROUGH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you buy them and their messed up I feel for you, but without a 3rd party or your own inspection how do you know???

and I got to ask, you claim blocks cracked, how did you discover this, before or after you ran them??? if after how do you know you didn't break them???

Whole story sounds fishy to me:drink:

(I understand "empire007"'s post to mean 2 different shops have been inside these motors now but they have not been run yet). So, how do you know the machine shop, or mechanic isn't the one that has switched stuff or cracked the blocks trying to "clean" them up. IMO, Already too many people involved to really place blame on any one party.

I've seen posts from Dominatorscott for a number of years on SW and remember him talking about possibly buying superchillers awhile ago. I believe the C.C. thing could be the truth, but I've never seen anything to suggest he's tried to screw around with anyone or been less than honest. That he tried to negotiate the price down.......I think we all do that. It's the OK, sorry another buyer, OK, sorry another buyer stuf that bothered him (and not that you sold them for more money elsewhere).

First things first. I have always had the $$$$$ but you wanted too much in my opinion. 2nd when you initially told me you had a buyer for the full amount after the we agreed on a price I said I would pass and to sell them. But what chaps my azz is when we spoke yesterday morning you said your buyer didn't come through and they were mine then you sell them anyways and don't even have the ballz to call me and tell me. Instead you send me an email 4 hours later like a spineless wuss. No class.

Lastly I had arrangements with So Cal Speed and Marine to pay with a credit card so there was some record of payment and legal recourse if you screwed me over. I sure as hell wasn't gonna send you a check on faith. My gut told me to cover my azz on this deal and I guess my gut was right. Actually I should probably thankyou because now I don't have to wonder if I am buying someone elses problems like you obviously have with your motors.

Again,I don't care that you sold them for more money. But you should of at least been a man and called me to let me know you were backing out on our deal which YOU agreed to just yesterday. Or are you gonna sit there and tell me you didn't tell me we had a deal yesterday?

Jeff didn't build those engines and I know he certainly never had them completely disassembled and the blocks magnafluxed. The engines were never out of the boat until he sold it. I do not believe he ever had a head off. I'm pretty sure the engines were built by Competition Marine. They were in his Skater when he bought it.

WoW sorry to hear of your problems , were these the purple motors listed on OSO Classifieds ???:rolleyes: if they are im glad i walked from that deal..

Mike wrote:
Yes, we did have the motors checked. The seller had his motors at Kinser Racing, a gentelmen by the name of Mark, he went through it and did a leak down and had my mechanic in touch with him, based on Mark, the motors were in great shape, a little oil leak, but nothing major. He indicated that they are strong motors and you just need a top end job on it. I am thinking the Jeff (seller) & Mark (Kinser Racing) both new what was going on and just wanted this deal to go through.

The motors were never placed in the boat, i was planning to rebuilt the entier motors from top to bottom and even we had to change evrything was were all bad, at the end we noticed the crack. Motors were never ran or put in any boat, they went straight to the engine builder and very well known person in southern california boating industry.

Scott we could go back and forth, you knew i had a second buyer for my full price listing, and i told you if it does not go though i will let you know. I called you on Friday and indicated i ma heading to my mechanic and i should be there around 12:00 p.m. and I WILL LET YOU KNOW AT THAT TIME. I emailed you back at 2:00 p.m. indicating that i had sold the chillers, so what is the problem. Don't forget i have over dozen email and calls from you regarding the chillers from two months ago and if you did have the money you would have purchased them. Second i am selling the chillers, not my mechanic and i never had anything set up with my mechanic of his getting the credit card from you, it was your deal, not mine. Looks like you were going behind my back with my mechanic as well. I spoke to my mechanic and even he indicated that using three different credit card sounds fisssshyyyyy. Anyway, we could go on and on, but if you want to keep going, then i will pull all the emails and calls and prove that i did what an honest buyer would do.

nator Scott;2821183]First things first. I have always had the $$$$$ but you wanted too much in my opinion. 2nd when you initially told me you had a buyer for the full amount after the we agreed on a price I said I would pass and to sell them. But what chaps my azz is when we spoke yesterday morning you said your buyer didn't come through and they were mine then you sell them anyways and don't even have the ballz to call me and tell me. Instead you send me an email 4 hours later like a spineless wuss. No class.

Lastly I had arrangements with So Cal Speed and Marine to pay with a credit card so there was some record of payment and legal recourse if you screwed me over. I sure as hell wasn't gonna send you a check on faith. My gut told me to cover my azz on this deal and I guess my gut was right. Actually I should probably thankyou because now I don't have to wonder if I am buying someone elses problems like you obviously have with your motors.

Again,I don't care that you sold them for more money. But you should of at least been a man and called me to let me know you were backing out on our deal which YOU agreed to just yesterday. Or are you gonna sit there and tell me you didn't tell me we had a deal yesterday?[/QUOTE]

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Whatever. I am going through Teague on Monday for new ones and that will be the end of it. We could go back and forth all day and it wouldn't make a difference. But paying for them with a credit card leaves a paper trail that can be tracked and credited back if something went wrong.
I distinctly asked you yesterday if we had a deal and you said yes. You simply sold them for more money because you found some round head that was willing to pay it and that was your right to do so. But you should have had the decency to call and tell me right then. Not send some weak azz email 2-3 hours later after I tried calling you 2-3 different times.

By the way Mario okayed the credit card payment and was just gonna pay you direct so how I payed for them should have made no difference to you. There was NO WAY IN HELL I was goona send a cashiers check for over 2K to someone I don't know and never even seen what I am buying. You wouldn't either and if you did you would be a total idiot.
By the way, don't spend that extra $300 you got from the other guy in one place. But judging what you have posted about your motors,your gonna need every last nickle you can get.

I'm done with this and done with you so later.:Whatever:

Whatever. I am going through Teague on Monday for new ones and that will be the end of it. We could go back and forth all day and it wouldn't make a difference. But paying for them with a credit card leaves a paper trail that can be tracked and credited back if something went wrong.
I distinctly asked you yesterday if we had a deal and you said yes. You simply sold them for more money because you found some round head that was willing to pay it and that was your right to do so. But you should have had the decency to call and tell me right then. Not send some weak azz email 2-3 hours later after I tried calling you 2-3 different times.

By the way Mario okayed the credit card payment and was just gonna pay you direct so how I payed for them should have made no difference to you. There was NO WAY IN HELL I was goona send a cashiers check for over 2K to someone I don't know and never even seen what I am buying. You wouldn't either and if you did you would be a total idiot.
By the way, don't spend that extra $300 you got from the other guy in one place. But judging what you have posted about your motors,your gonna need every last nickle you can get.

I'm done with this and done with you so later.:Whatever:[/QUOTE]

There was NO WAY IN HELL I was goona send a cashiers check for over 2K to someone I don't know and never even seen what I am buying. You wouldn't either and if you did you would be a total idiot.
WOW !!!!!!:eek:
Really ??? i've done checks,wires,paypals,cash in a fed ex envelope and recieved the same from buyers with no probs BIG DADDY ....

Yep, Very meticulous person and standup guy. Whole things sounds fishy to me as well.